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  1. Standard member bill718
    Enigma
    06 Sep '10 08:02
    While Democrats and Republicans hiss at each other regarding who's to blame for the state of the American economy, it must be understood both sets of lawmakers share a large measure of blame for the countries economic woes. For over 30 years, both sides have turned a blind eye to the weakening lending standards of banks, the fact American citizens tend to save very little of what they earn, business's are encouraged to start with too much borrowed money, lawmakers (on both sides) spend too much taxpayer money on there own pet projects, and companys are given the green light to export American jobs when ever they feel like it, further weakening the buying power of the middle class. Regardless of who sits in the Whitehouse, this economy we see today is the new normal, and it's not going away any time soon. Until the American people, the American government learn to live within there means, and some token attempts are made to keep jobs from being freely exported overseas, todays economy will be with us for a long time to come.
  2. Donation rwingett
    Ming the Merciless
    06 Sep '10 12:34
    Originally posted by bill718
    While Democrats and Republicans hiss at each other regarding who's to blame for the state of the American economy, it must be understood both sets of lawmakers share a large measure of blame for the countries economic woes. For over 30 years, both sides have turned a blind eye to the weakening lending standards of banks, the fact American citizens tend to sa ...[text shortened]... rom being freely exported overseas, todays economy will be with us for a long time to come.
    Things never change because both parties are equally beholden to their corporate paymasters. Money buys direct access to the levers of government. The Republican party openly serves corporate interests, while the Democrats unconvincingly pretend otherwise. Our entire electoral process is the thinnest patina of democracy painted over a very undemocratic corporatocracy. Everything you're complaining about are merely symptoms of the problem. Until our electoral process is freed from outright corporate bribery, nothing will ever change.
  3. Subscriber no1marauder
    It's Nice to Be Nice
    06 Sep '10 12:41
    Originally posted by rwingett
    Things never change because both parties are equally beholden to their corporate paymasters. Money buys direct access to the levers of government. The Republican party openly serves corporate interests, while the Democrats unconvincingly pretend otherwise. Our entire electoral process is the thinnest patina of democracy painted over a very undemocratic corp ...[text shortened]... Until our electoral process is freed from outright corporate bribery, nothing will ever change.
    I've never really understood why certain progressives feel it necessary to rail against "corporations" or "corporate money". A corporation is a man made contrivance; a tool. To complain about "corporate interests" is fetishism. Why is it sooooooooooooooo difficult to simply say that the wealthy in America have been waging an extra intensive class warfare over the last 30 or so years which has caused worker incomes to stagnant while business profits and executive pay have soared? Rather than bitch and moan about legal fictions, it would be more proper to put the blame for our economic morass where it belongs.
  4. Donation rwingett
    Ming the Merciless
    06 Sep '10 12:50
    Originally posted by no1marauder
    I've never really understood why certain progressives feel it necessary to rail against "corporations" or "corporate money". A corporation is a man made contrivance; a tool. To complain about "corporate interests" is fetishism. Why is it sooooooooooooooo difficult to simply say that the wealthy in America have been waging an extra intensive class warfare ...[text shortened]... tions, it would be more proper to put the blame for our economic morass where it belongs.
    Corporations are the mechanism by which the wealthy carry out their plunder. They provide the framework that the wealthy operate in. The impact of that 'legal fiction' is very real and far more potent than it would be if it were just individual wealthy people pushing forward the interests of the wealthy.
  5. 06 Sep '10 14:18 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by bill718
    While Democrats and Republicans hiss at each other regarding who's to blame for the state of the American economy, it must be understood both sets of lawmakers share a large measure of blame for the countries economic woes. For over 30 years, both sides have turned a blind eye to the weakening lending standards of banks, the fact American citizens tend to sa rom being freely exported overseas, todays economy will be with us for a long time to come.
    It is human nature to seek power, secure power, and seek more power. So what you should continue to see is a continued push to centralize power. Of course, all those on the left will sing the praises of government as they do and those on the right sing the praises of corporate America as they participate. All I can say is get ready for the next shake down similar to the credit crisis. My guess is that it will be in the form of cap and trade. It will be a big pot of cash for both government and coporate America.

    My guess is that they will not be happy until we are all slaves or dead. You know, kinda like Gilligans Island. Like Robinson Coruso, as primitave as can be. No lights, no cars, no motor boats, not a single luxuary.