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An interesting article. It seems that some of the younger generation in Tibet are moving away from non-violent methods in their struggle for national liberation.

http://www.scottishsocialistvoice.net/pages/page11.html (bottom of page).

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Originally posted by Redmike
An interesting article. It seems that some of the younger generation in Tibet are moving away from non-violent methods in their struggle for national liberation.
Desperate times, desperate measures. Will their efforts be applauded or condemned by Western eyes?

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"Thus many young Tibetans feel the policy of non-violence has failed, and are increasingly attracted to the kinds of militant tactics seen in Palestine."

They will fail, as well. For two reasons, IMO: (1) nobody will mess with
China because everybody makes good business with them, and the
multinationals care a rat's behind about the Tibetans as long as they
cash in, and (2) because nowadays support from the West comes
through means other than violent struggle. It's all media nowadays.

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Originally posted by Seitse
"Thus many young Tibetans feel the policy of non-violence has failed, and are increasingly attracted to the kinds of militant tactics seen in Palestine."
Quite so.

What do you make of this comparison?

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Originally posted by Seitse
"Thus many young Tibetans feel the policy of non-violence has failed, and are increasingly attracted to the kinds of militant tactics seen in Palestine."

They will fail, as well. For two reasons, IMO: (1) nobody will mess with
China because everybody makes good business with them, and the
multinationals care a rat's behind about the Tibetans as lo ...[text shortened]... rt from the West comes
through means other than violent struggle. It's all media nowadays.
But the point of the article is that the non-violent media-friendly campaign as waged by the Dalai Lama etc hasn't worked.

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Originally posted by Redmike
But the point of the article is that the non-violent media-friendly campaign as waged by the Dalai Lama etc hasn't worked.
Well, it has worked in the level that there is massive simpathy for the
Dalai Lama and his cause. Tell me who doesn't like the Lama
(warning: rhetoric question).

However... the problem is not the campaign, but that nobody messes
with China... unless the campaign is directed against China as a
country.... but then again, still, it is too powerful and good
business is made with them.

It is hence my personal opinion that Tibet is doomed.

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Originally posted by Seitse
Well, it has worked in the level that there is massive simpathy for the
Dalai Lama and his cause. Tell me who doesn't like the Lama
(warning: rhetoric question).

However... the problem is not the campaign, but that nobody messes
with China... unless the campaign is directed against China as a
country.... but then again, still, it is too powerful and good
business is made with them.

It is hence my personal opinion that Tibet is doomed.
Given your opinion then, do you think people in Tibet should still resist Chinese occupation, or should they accept their fate and get used to being part of China?

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Originally posted by Seitse
It is hence my personal opinion that Tibet is doomed.
Or, perhaps other repressed minorities within the Chinese hegemony will be encouraged and start letting off a little steam themselves--a la Palestine. It will probably help to stimulate the Chinese economy...

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Originally posted by Redmike
Given your opinion then, do you think people in Tibet should still resist Chinese occupation, or should they accept their fate and get used to being part of China?
Everybody is entitled to try what they think is best: Change or maintain
their political, economic, social or cultural status quo. Hence, I don't
think they should or shouldn't do something... I just think
that, if they choose to do it violently, they will fail... unless they gain
massive world support in a way that the pressure becomes too much
for the Chinese government itself and, specially those who do
juicy business with them.

Particularly, my simpathy for the tibetans comes from their non-violent
stance. But that's just me.

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Originally posted by Redmike
Given your opinion then, do you think people in Tibet should still resist Chinese occupation, or should they accept their fate and get used to being part of China?
--get used to [/i]not[/i] being part of China, which is what being marginalised is all about. A choice between total assimilation or extinction.

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In this globalized world, not only the tibetans are faced with the
dicotomy of assimilation or extinction. We're all faced with that, for
better or worse, regarding the mass media portray of what the world
should be.

Edit. Please take the word should with "".

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Originally posted by Seitse
In this globalized world, not only the tibetans are faced with the
dicotomy of assimilation or extinction. We're all faced with that, for
better or worse, regarding the mass media portray of what the world
should be.

Edit. Please take the word should with "".
Of course, the stated aim of such as Osama Bin Laden is to resist the encroachment of this decentred mediatised hegemony.

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*silence*

er... well... that's when I have some problems... it is true that the
mainstream thought invades everybody's home in a very agressive
way, name it billboards, TV, magazines, schools, etc. etc.

But Ak-47's and RPG's are way less subtle than "The Price is Right" and
"McDonalds".

So I wouldn't be so sure of the best way to protect the cultural diversity
of the world, but achieving tolerance and respect at the same time.

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Originally posted by Seitse
*silence*.
The silence of the impasse is more terrible than that of the abyss.

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Well, at least you're not screaming like a prima donna, shouting my old username while tearing your robe.

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