@AverageJoe1 saidA lot of Germans in that lot 😉
Settle, man. Sue read this stuff, don’t get people off on the wrong track. Did you say stands on the shoulders of….?
I went to the library and did all of this research. Please read it. Thank you very much.
The people “ahead of Turing” — the ones whose work directly led to his discoveries — were primarily:
1.George Boole – logic as algebra
2.Gottlob Frege – m ...[text shortened]... ne .
He did some stuff, turkey, but he stood on a LOT of SHOULDERS, so you got nuthin. Nuthin.
@Ghost-of-a-Duke saidIts OK, We know, that you know, that I named several inventors upon whose shoulders Turing stood on. You got nuthin, man, you are KingJehjovah or whoever he is.
I stopped reading at, "I went to the library."
Turing was a spoke on a bicycle. Oh, you invented bicycles!!! We come full circle!
@Ponderable saidOf course,,,,,maybe even a Romanian,.... Poenaru, inventor of the fountain pen!!
A lot of Germans in that lot 😉
And indians were smart as hell as the world evolved.
@Ghost-of-a-Duke saidI did see Sonhouse in the library, asking the clerk for the section on Trump Corruption…..she said’whaaaatt?”
I stopped reading at, "I went to the library."
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@Ghost-of-a-Duke saidLemme ask you something:
Congrats.
Being so full of pride, I'm assuming you played an active role in the success?
(Rhetorical question alert).
Of the following, which are good, bad, or okay?
A white guy being proud of stuff done by other white guys
A black guy being proud of stuff done by other black guys
A Hispanic guy being proud of stuff done by other Hispanic guys
A man being proud of stuff done by other men
A woman being proud of stuff done by other women
An American being proud of stuff done by other Americans
A Mexican being proud of stuff done by other Mexicans
A black South African being proud of stuff done by other black South Africans
A white South African being proud of stuff done by black South Africans
A Christian being proud of of stuff done by other Christians
A Muslim being proud of of stuff done by other Muslims
A Jews being proud of of stuff done by other Jews
Bonus question: Give examples in which the word "pride" is:
a. good
b. neutral
c. bad
d. punishable crimespeak
@sh76 saidIt's cool to be patriotic and proud of one's own country. (Whatever country that might be). My issue is with the slack jaw Americans like Average Joe who have barely ever made it out of their own trailer park (it's a safe bet) and yet want some kind of personal kudos for other vastly more intelligent Americans inventing a talking cat or walking on the moon.
Lemme ask you something:
Of the following, which are good, bad, or okay?
A white guy being proud of stuff done by other white guys
A black guy being proud of stuff done by other black guys
A Hispanic guy being proud of stuff done by other Hispanic guys
A man being proud of stuff done by other men
A woman being proud of stuff done by other women
An American b ...[text shortened]... : Give examples in which the word "pride" is:
a. good
b. neutral
c. bad
d. punishable crimespeak
Bonus answer:
E. A group of lions
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@AverageJoe1 saidEverything that has ever been invented relies on humans who proceeded them. That doesn't change the fact you wouldn't be sitting in front of your computer today without the British inventers I referenced. Indeed, if it wasn't down to British ingenuity, you wouldn't exist at all.
Its OK, We know, that you know, that I named several inventors upon whose shoulders Turing stood on. You got nuthin, man, you are KingJehjovah or whoever he is.
Turing was a spoke on a bicycle. Oh, you invented bicycles!!! We come full circle!
@Ghost-of-a-Duke saidThe talking cat is cool, but I don't see where AJ asked for personal kudos. He was chest thumping about some American accomplishment. Predictably, he got ridiculed for bragging about being proud of an American accomplishment, whereas if he were Senegali or Panamanian or Indonesian bragging about his country, nobody would say boo.
It's cool to be patriotic and proud of one's own country. (Whatever country that might be). My issue is with the slack jaw Americans like Average Joe who have barely ever made it out of their own trailer park (it's a safe bet) and yet want some kind of personal kudos for other vastly more intelligent Americans inventing a talking cat or walking on the moon.
Bonus answer:
E. A group of lions
Even the "slack jaw" and "trailer park" tropes - it would be totally socially unacceptable to use their equivalents to demean people from, say, Nigeria or Bangladesh or Iran.
@sh76 saidHe wrote: "Pardon my pride. No link from me will do it justice. . The booster that took it up there came back and landed squarely on the deck. Eat your heart out, rest of the world.. Turn up the sound!!!"
The talking cat is cool, but I don't see where AJ asked for personal kudos. He was chest thumping about some American accomplishment. Predictably, he got ridiculed for bragging about being proud of an American accomplishment, whereas if he were Senegali or Panamanian or Indonesian bragging about his country, nobody would say boo.
Even the "slack jaw" and "trailer park" tropes ...[text shortened]... lly unacceptable to use their equivalents to demean people from, say, Nigeria or Bangladesh or Iran.
In contrast, when the UK, for example, hosted the best ever Olympic opening ceremony in history, I simply gave a nonchalant nod when congratulated by non British acquittances. I didn't rip open my shirt and pound my chest as though I personally had brought home seven gold medals, and a talking cat...
@sh76 saidGhost of a Duke, who whiles away a lot time coming up with clever posts, while I am straightforward, so that I can play golf and see my friends, will not get the gist of your post. I would say that you have a point... that "I went a bit overboard about who invented what and when" (example, he will say cavemen invented the wheel, so we have cars. Tiresome.)
Lemme ask you something:
Of the following, which are good, bad, or okay?
A white guy being proud of stuff done by other white guys
A black guy being proud of stuff done by other black guys
A Hispanic guy being proud of stuff done by other Hispanic guys
A man being proud of stuff done by other men
A woman being proud of stuff done by other women
An American b ...[text shortened]... : Give examples in which the word "pride" is:
a. good
b. neutral
c. bad
d. punishable crimespeak
So a solid post in the debate world . Saves me a lot of posts, as I put ghost of a duke on the back row.
@Ghost-of-a-Duke saidThis one compares Olympics ( there are hundreds of them, all the same) to what what our scientists and engineers did. If Ghost a Duke has someone that can do it, like they did the Olllllyyymmmmmmmmppics, then let us see them do it.
He wrote: "Pardon my pride. No link from me will do it justice. . The booster that took it up there came back and landed squarely on the deck. Eat your heart out, rest of the world.. Turn up the sound!!!"
In contrast, when the UK, for example, hosted the best ever Olympic opening ceremony in history, I simply gave a nonchalant nod when congratulated by non British ...[text shortened]... t and pound my chest as though I personally had brought home seven gold medals, and a talking cat...
Really. what do these countries do every day? What does Romania do? Make chees blintzes? Can you name their leaders? I cannot. They can name ours, though. hmmmmmm, very telling.
You can find him on the back row. He is like Shouse...thinks he will sway someone's thinking.
@Ghost-of-a-Duke saidAnd, arguably, if it weren't for the ineptitude of at least one British general, I wouldn't be here as an American, either.
Everything that has ever been invented relies on humans who proceeded them. That doesn't change the fact you wouldn't be sitting in front of your computer today without the British inventers I referenced. Indeed, if it wasn't down to British ingenuity, you wouldn't exist at all.
(Every once in a while I get this hankering to play Devil's Advocate.)
@AverageJoe1 saidShe actually said, "Just swing a cat, you'll hit at least one."
I did see Sonhouse in the library, asking the clerk for the section on Trump Corruption…..she said’whaaaatt?”
@sh76 saidBonus question: Give examples in which the word "pride" is:
Lemme ask you something:
Of the following, which are good, bad, or okay?
A white guy being proud of stuff done by other white guys
A black guy being proud of stuff done by other black guys
A Hispanic guy being proud of stuff done by other Hispanic guys
A man being proud of stuff done by other men
A woman being proud of stuff done by other women
An American b ...[text shortened]... : Give examples in which the word "pride" is:
a. good
b. neutral
c. bad
d. punishable crimespeak
a. good
b. neutral
c. bad
d. punishable crimespeak
Biblically speaking, here are just some of the biblical verses on "Pride." It's fairly clear Biblically that most forms of pride are bad spiritually.
[Job 35:12 NKJV] 12 There they cry out, but He does not answer, Because of the pride of evil men.
[Psalm 10:2 NKJV] 2 The wicked in [his] pride persecutes the poor; Let them be caught in the plots which they have devised.
[Psalm 36:11 NKJV] 11 Let not the foot of pride come against me, And let not the hand of the wicked drive me away.
[Psalm 59:12 NKJV] 12 [For] the sin of their mouth [and] the words of their lips, Let them even be taken in their pride, And for the cursing and lying [which] they speak.
[Psalm 73:6 NKJV] 6 Therefore pride serves as their necklace; Violence covers them [like] a garment.
[Proverb 8:13 NKJV] 13 The fear of the LORD [is] to hate evil; Pride and arrogance and the evil way And the perverse mouth I hate.
[Proverb 11:2 NKJV] 2 When pride comes, then comes shame; But with the humble [is] wisdom.
[Proverb 13:10 NKJV] 10 By pride comes nothing but strife, But with the well-advised [is] wisdom.
[Proverb 14:3 NKJV] 3 In the mouth of a fool [is] a rod of pride, But the lips of the wise will preserve them.
[Proverb 16:18 NKJV] 18 Pride [goes] before destruction, And a haughty spirit before a fall.
[Proverb 21:24 NKJV] 24 A proud [and] haughty [man]--"Scoffer" [is] his name; He acts with arrogant pride.
[Proverb 29:23 NKJV] 23 A man's pride will bring him low, But the humble in spirit will retain honor.
[Jerimiah 13:17 NKJV] 17 But if you will not hear it, My soul will weep in secret for [your] pride; My eyes will weep bitterly And run down with tears, Because the LORD's flock has been taken captive.
[Mark 7:22 NKJV] 21 "For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders, 22 "thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lewdness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness. 23 "All these evil things come from within and defile a man."
[1Titus 3:6 NKJV] 6 not a novice, lest being puffed up with pride he fall into the [same] condemnation as the devil.
[1John 2:16 NKJV] 16 For all that [is] in the world--the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life--is not of the Father but is of the world.
Clearly there are some good, or harmless forms of pride. Such as, one having pride to do a good, through job at something; or one playfully boasting, etc.
The rest is for us to discern.