Trump Announces Peace Agreement Between Israel and Hamas

@Earl-of-Trumps said
Trump Announces Peace Agreement Between Israel and Hamas

I'm only posting this to p!ss the libs off. Enjoy

This was the easy part.

He deserves the nobel prize if he does the hard part. See the plan through.

@Suzianne said
Hahahahahaha!

Go ahead, pull the other one.

What did Trump have to do with this?

My guess is the trump administration will declare this as their victory, then get bored and lazy again.

It'd be like an architect taking credit for designing a building that hasn't been built yet.

@no1marauder said
As long as Israel's government thinks like that, no peace agreement is possible.

Do you think the Palestinian mindset has to change at all for there to be a lasting peace? Or do you think the prevailing Palestinian attitude as it stands is fully conducive to lasting peace?

@sh76 said
Do you think the Palestinian mindset has to change at all for there to be a lasting peace? Or do you think the prevailing Palestinian attitude as it stands is fully conducive to lasting peace?

There's an obvious power imbalance, but what do you consider the "Palestinian mindset" to be? Do you doubt the great majority of Palestinians would welcome and support a peace treaty based on a two State solution?

@no1marauder said
There's an obvious power imbalance, but what do you consider the "Palestinian mindset" to be? Do you doubt the great majority of Palestinians would welcome and support a peace treaty based on a two State solution?

I don't doubt that the great majority of Israelis and the great majority of Palestinians would welcome and support a peace treaty based on a two State solution.

The Palestinians who do have voices, such as Hamas and those who yell in the streets, invariably do so on a theory of killing all the Jews or, at the very least, conquering all of Israel.

Just as one example, there are many social media videos of the Gazans celebrating the peace deal yesterday with chants of "Khaybar, Khaybar ya Yahud, Jaish Muhammad sa ya'ud"

This, of course, is a reference to the 7th-century Battle of Khaybar, where Muhammad's forces wiped out the Jewish community of Khaybar.

While I imagine most common people on both sides would like peace, the Palestinian rhetoric has always been far more purple than the Israeli rhetoric. To the extent that the Israeli rhetoric has to moderate for peace, the Palestinian rhetoric has a far longer way to go.

@sh76 said
I don't doubt that the great majority of Israelis and the great majority of Palestinians would welcome and support a peace treaty based on a two State solution.

The Palestinians who do have voices, such as Hamas and those who yell in the streets, invariably do so on a theory of killing all the Jews or, at the very least, conquering all of Israel.

Just as one example, there ...[text shortened]... the Israeli rhetoric has to moderate for peace, the Palestinian rhetoric has a far longer way to go.

Who cares about the rhetoric of radicals? Get the Palestinians to commit to cooperate in preventing cross-border attacks and you're all set. I have little doubt the present PLO leadership would be amenable to that.

@sh76 said
I don't doubt that the great majority of Israelis and the great majority of Palestinians would welcome and support a peace treaty based on a two State solution.

The Palestinians who do have voices, such as Hamas and those who yell in the streets, invariably do so on a theory of killing all the Jews or, at the very least, conquering all of Israel.

Just as one example, there ...[text shortened]... the Israeli rhetoric has to moderate for peace, the Palestinian rhetoric has a far longer way to go.

I don't care about "rhetoric"; expecting all Palestinians to be in a conciliatory mood after a two year campaign by Israel marked by indiscriminate destruction and bloodletting is no more reasonable than it would have been to insist that all Israelis be conciliatory after the horrors of two years ago.

You have a predictably one-sided view but I see little difference between Netanyahu's opposition to a Palestinian State and chants of "from the river to the sea".

Peace is in both sides' interests and it will never happen without a two State solution now matter what radicals on both sides say.

@Metal-Brain said
It won't work. Israel has never respected peace agreements before. What makes you think they will after the hostage swap?

you very well could be right. but, that is when Trump gets furious at Netenyahu

@no1marauder said
Who cares about the rhetoric of radicals? Get the Palestinians to commit to cooperate in preventing cross-border attacks and you're all set. I have little doubt the present PLO leadership would be amenable to that.

The present PLO leadership has had no say in Gaza in almost 20 years.

@Torunn said
If I understand it correctly, whatever accomplishments he may have had, they should have been made last year or earlier.

Yes, as I hear it, the committee meets in January and collect nominees by February.

@no1marauder said
There's an obvious power imbalance, but what do you consider the "Palestinian mindset" to be? Do you doubt the great majority of Palestinians would welcome and support a peace treaty based on a two State solution?

Surveys were done and in about 95% of those polled, they agreed to a 2-state solution. But here is the catch, just like you, they want all of Palestine for themselves and in the end there must be no Jewish government. This is the reason why Netanyahu says there will be no such 2 state nonsense. The man is absolutely correct. Arab Palestinians deserve no separate state, because their aim is to eliminate the Jews.

@Rajk999 said
Surveys were done and in about 95% of those polled, they agreed to a 2-state solution. But here is the catch, just like you, they want all of Palestine for themselves and in the end there must be no Jewish government. This is the reason why Netanyahu says there will be no such 2 state nonsense. The man is absolutely correct. Arab Palestinians deserve no separate state, because their aim is to eliminate the Jews.

You saying that over and over and over again doesn't make it true.

The PLO recognized the existence of Israel over 30 years ago at Oslo.

@no1marauder said
You saying that over and over and over again doesn't make it true.

The PLO recognized the existence of Israel over 30 years ago at Oslo.

Here is what Arab Palestinians are saying now.

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Statements by Hamas officials make clear the terrorist organization’s commitment to destroying Israel and killing Jews and Israelis around the world.

Ismail Haniyeh in 2020: He explained that Hamas rejects ceasefire agreements by which, “Gaza would become Singapore,” preferring to remain at war with Israel until a Palestinian state is established from the River to the Sea: “We cannot, in exchange for money or projects, give up Palestine and our weapons. We will not give up the resistance... We will not recognize Israel, Palestine must stretch from the [Jordan] River to the [Mediterranean] Sea.”
Hamas official, Hamad Al-Regeb in an April 2023 sermon: He prayed for “annihilation” and “paralysis” of the Jews whom he described as filthy animals: “[Allah] transformed them into filthy, ugly animals like apes and pigs because of the injustice and evil they had brought about.” Al-Regeb also prayed for the ability to “get to the necks of the Jews.”
Hamas Political Bureau Chairman Saleh Al-Arouri in an August 2023 interview: He expressed Hamas’ desire for “total war” with Israel: “Therefore, we are convinced that if a total conflict begins, the airspace and seaports of this entity will be shut down, and they will not be able to live without electricity, water, and communications.”
Ahmad Abd Al-Hadi (Hamas representative in Lebanon) in an October 12, 2023 TV show laid out Hamas’ expectation that it would be Israel that would sue for peace and indicated that a ceasefire is part of Hamas’ overall strategy, but said that he was not at liberty to say what exactly Hamas has planned for the next step after a ceasefire. He also stated that October 7 had achieved its intended purpose of landing “a blow to the normalization (of relations between Israel and Arab countries).”
Hamas member, Ghazi Hamad on October 24, 2023: “Israel is a country that has no place on our land […] because it constitutes a security, military, and political catastrophe to the Arab and Islamic nation.” (October 24, 2023, LBC TV (Lebanon)). He also vowed to repeat the October 7 attacks “time and again until Israel is annihilated,” and expressing a desire to “sacrifice martyrs” (referring to Gazan civilians) for Hamas’ ideological aim of destroying Israel.
In a speech before the International Union of Muslim Scholars in Doha on January 9, 2024, Ismaeel Haniyeh, chairman of Hamas's political bureau, called the October 7 massacre the “advanced [battle] front of the Ummah.” Calling for “financial jihad” (donations to Hamas) and “jihad of the teeth” (physical jihad), he asked the international audience, “Who wishes to invest in building the jihadist generation to liberate Jerusalem and to unite the blood of the Ummah with the blood of the people of Gaza, Jerusalem, and Palestine on the land of Palestine for its liberation and the liberation of Jerusalem?”
Statements by Hamas officials also make clear the terrorist organization’s disregard for the loss of civilian life not only in Israel but also in Gaza.

Hamas senior leader Khaled Mashal stated on October 19, 2023 that he views the current loss of civilian life in Gaza – brought about by Hamas' strategy of using human shields – as essential: “No nation is liberated without sacrifices... In all wars, there are some civilian victims. We are not responsible for them.”
Hamas senior leader Ismail Haniyeh, commenting on the loss of civilian life in Gaza on October 26, 2023: “The blood of the women, children and elderly […] we are the ones who need this blood, so it awakens within us the revolutionary spirit.”
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https://www.adl.org/resources/article/hamas-its-own-words

@sh76 said
The present PLO leadership has had no say in Gaza in almost 20 years.

Because Israel funded Hamas to marginalize the PLO because the PLO insisted on a 2 state solution. See how well that worked out?

https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces/

Israel victimized itself by funding Hamas. They brought it on themselves by resisting a 2 state solution. Israel has been dishonest about it all along. And now that Larry Ellison is a creepy media baron people are learning to hate the SOB. That is not anti Semitic though. I hate the Rockefellers for that too. Besides, Arabs are Semitic. Why isn't the genocide of Arabs being called anti Semetic?

Israeli Zionists are anti Semitic.