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    He condemned socialism in his state of the union address and said that "America was founded on liberty and freedom and not coercion, domination and control."

    I don't think that statement is true of our country and it sure is not true of the countries the US government invades. Besides, if he really believes that why doesn't he praise libertarians for their love of liberty and freedom?

    I'm thinking it is because he wants to coerce people into thinking Maduro has to be overthrown because of Venezuela's bad economic conditions. Of course it is our government that is contributing to those bad economic conditions with crippling sanctions against them.

    Norway and Denmark are socialist nations. They are not collapsing under the weight of socialism. It can't be socialism alone that is the problem, right?

    And what is it with people thinking replacing Maduro with a guy who was not elected president? Isn't that what a dictator is? Why are so many nations supporting a wanna be dictator like Guaido and calling him legitimate if coercion was not used? That is how GW Bush got UN votes for the Iraq war.

    https://ips-dc.org/coalition_of_the_willing/?fbclid=IwAR17lRhQ0BPwXJUHWGARq2-JQpTTmJ-xtDI6ygO3LAvAKabb5i0ue7Mv9GY

    Is there any evidence that Trump used coercion to get some nations to publicly support Guaido?
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    @metal-brain said
    He condemned socialism in his state of the union address and said that "America was founded on liberty and freedom and not coercion, domination and control."

    I don't think that statement is true of our country and it sure is not true of the countries the US government invades. Besides, if he really believes that why doesn't he praise libertarians for their love of libe ...[text shortened]... GY

    Is there any evidence that Trump used coercion to get some nations to publicly support Guaido?
    Politics is all about coercion and domination and control, even for despotic half wits like Maduro.

    That is why socialism, or some blend thereof, is the preferred economic system by far out of any other. It is because in order to achieve their all encompassing economic "harmony", the state must have a heavy hand in every last financial transactions, which means invasive control and power over the people.

    More often than not, it ends in absolute disaster, as history shows.
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    06 Feb '19 18:501 edit
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    What he wants is for the corporate world to take over the duties of governess, privatize SS, Medicare, and all the rest, privatize the military, privatize the border petrol, and so on so they can dissolve government completely and if you lose your job, tough titty, dig ditches bitch, you ain't our problem anymore.
    US citizens? Get your visa from Exxon if you want to go live in Canada.

    That is called abrogation of responsibility. That is not caring a whit for the plight of anyone not making 100,000 a year or less.

    That is catering to the 1/10th of 1 % who live in those gated communities or live in Times square penthouses costing 30 million bucks. THOSE people they love.

    Us dullards living on SS or working at Walmart for ten bucks an hour, scum under their feet.
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    @sonhouse said
    @whodey
    What he wants is for the corporate world to take over the duties of governess, privatize SS, Medicare, and all the rest, privatize the military, privatize the border petrol, and so on so they can dissolve government completely and if you lose your job, tough titty, dig ditches bitch, you ain't our problem anymore.
    US citizens? Get your visa from Exxon if you want t ...[text shortened]... ove.

    Us dullards living on SS or working at Walmart for ten bucks an hour, scum under their feet.
    Corporations are a government construct.

    In other words, without the protection of the government they would not exist.

    Ever wonder why all these CEO's, Schultz, Bezos, Buffet, Zuckerberg, Gates, are all flaming Dims? Not only that, they censor folks like me on Facebook for having non-PC political views.

    Wakey, wakey.
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    @whodey said
    Corporations are a government construct.

    In other words, without the protection of the government they would not exist.

    Ever wonder why all these CEO's, Schultz, Bezos, Buffet, Zuckerberg, Gates, are all flaming Dims? Not only that, they censor folks like me on Facebook for having non-PC political views.

    Wakey, wakey.
    Another myth:

    In total, 338 CEOs contributed more than $24 million to midterm election efforts. Of those, 149 donated more than $2.6 million to Democratic groups and candidates, and 200 CEOs gave more than $7 million to Republican groups and candidates.

    https://ceoworld.biz/2018/10/26/democrats-or-republicans-heres-what-americas-top-30-ceos-donated-to-the-midterm-elections/
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    @no1marauder said
    Another myth:

    In total, 338 CEOs contributed more than $24 million to midterm election efforts. Of those, 149 donated more than $2.6 million to Democratic groups and candidates, and 200 CEOs gave more than $7 million to Republican groups and candidates.

    https://ceoworld.biz/2018/10/26/democrats-or-republicans-heres-what-americas-top-30-ceos-donated-to-the-midterm-elections/
    whodey has never let facts get in the way of a good rant.

    No wonder he likes Trump.

    It's like looking in a freaking mirror.
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    @whodey said
    Politics is all about coercion and domination and control, even for despotic half wits like Maduro.

    That is why socialism, or some blend thereof, is the preferred economic system by far out of any other. It is because in order to achieve their all encompassing economic "harmony", the state must have a heavy hand in every last financial transactions, which means invasive co ...[text shortened]... and power over the people.

    More often than not, it ends in absolute disaster, as history shows.
    Calling Maduro despotic does not make it so. You saw the youtube video of Jimmy Carter saying Venezuela's elections are the "best in the world".
    Your denial of facts is rather pathetic. Do you always believe what you want to despite no facts to justify it? What part of "best in the world" do you not understand?

    Norway and Denmark are doing just fine. If you help the USA fight in unjust wars your socialism will be tolerated. Sell oil in anything other than US dollars and you get invaded. It is hard to deny the pattern.

    More often than not sanctions cause disaster. That is what history shows.
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    @metal-brain said
    Calling Maduro despotic does not make it so. You saw the youtube video of Jimmy Carter saying Venezuela's elections are the "best in the world".
    Your denial of facts is rather pathetic. Do you always believe what you want to despite no facts to justify it? What part of "best in the world" do you not understand?

    Norway and Denmark are doing just fine. If you help the ...[text shortened]... rd to deny the pattern.

    More often than not sanctions cause disaster. That is what history shows.
    I think that there are some factual problems here. Norway is an oil exporter [see link below]. Except in the US where anything other than pure free market capitalism is regarded as socialist, neither Norway nor Denmark really count as socialist. I'm making a distinction between social democratic and socialist. They have large scale private enterprise so I don't think characterizing them as socialist is especially accurate.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_in_Norway
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    @deepthought said
    I think that there are some factual problems here. Norway is an oil exporter [see link below]. Except in the US where anything other than pure free market capitalism is regarded as socialist, neither Norway nor Denmark really count as socialist. I'm making a distinction between social democratic and socialist. They have large scale private enterprise so I don't think ...[text shortened]... terizing them as socialist is especially accurate.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_in_Norway
    By that criteria, Venezuela isn't "socialist" either; last figures I saw said at least 2/3 of the economy was in private hands even after Chavez's death.
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    07 Feb '19 13:07
    Besides.. do the people who produce control said production in Venezuela?

    Nope. Ergo, not socialist.
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    @deepthought said
    I think that there are some factual problems here. Norway is an oil exporter [see link below]. Except in the US where anything other than pure free market capitalism is regarded as socialist, neither Norway nor Denmark really count as socialist. I'm making a distinction between social democratic and socialist. They have large scale private enterprise so I don't think ...[text shortened]... terizing them as socialist is especially accurate.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_in_Norway
    What does Norway being an oil exporter have to do with anything? So is Venezuela.

    It all depends on how you define socialism. If you get too nitpicky you might find out it doesn't really exist. After all, if the only socialist countries are dictatorships then they are actually communist rather than socialist. Although communists almost always call themselves socialists, don't they? The USSR had socialist in the name.

    Name the most socialist country you can think of.
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