@sonhouse saidIt's OK, I will respond by reposting your eloquent answer.
Well, we have a new expenditure thanks to that really ugly bill, 170 BILLION just for ICE. Now THAT org puts people in jail with no access to lawyers and there is solid evidence those prisoners are really poorly treated like one example where a man with no record and not here illegally but has cancer, thrown into a ward in a small room now holding 60 people so packed in ther ...[text shortened]... , does that mean you are incapable of talking about issues as complex as ICE treatment of prisoners?
@AverageJoe1 saidAverageJoe1: "OK. Marauder says tax payers do not have their money go towards payment of tuitions. He says the debt just disappears. The small town of Hayfield Oregon loans $100k out of the treasury to citizens who use it for college in Boise 300 miles away, and the citizens (students) do not pay it back, (whether the city agrees to eat it or not),
It's OK, I will respond by reposting your eloquent answer.
The treasury had $1.000,000 in ...[text shortened]... he record, sue will say 'well, the USA tuition payoffs were canceled'. We are speaking of Hayfield)"
Sonhouse:: "Well, we have a new expenditure thanks to that really ugly bill, 170 BILLION just for ICE. Now THAT org puts people in jail with no access to lawyers and there is solid evidence those prisoners are really poorly treated like one example where a man with no record and not here illegally but has cancer, thrown into a ward in a small room now holding 60 people so packed in there were no beds and they all had to sleep on the floor but there was not even enough room for that they are stacked together like dead fish.
As just one example, I can only assume you totally agree that those folks should not have access to a lawyer or being put in conditions a lot worse than a real prison full of people actually convicted of a crime.
So that is one question, is that ok, the second case is how much would the gummint deal out with, have you even researched how much money the taxpayers have given out for this student debt relief? How much does it add up to and how much has already been paid assuming tax payers pay the bill.
So I am thinking the total is a lot less than the inhumane ICE system. Its funny how fast people can be coaxed to be cruel.
Like the way US soldiers were treated in WW2 from Nazi's in Germany or US pow's in Japan, treated as sub humans in inhumane conditions.
The prisoners sent to El Salvador are undergoing exactly that kind of treatment as Nazi's spilled out to POW's, LITERALLY, beatings every day, given crap for food, forget medical treatment.
And now here in the US ICE literally kidnapping anyone they want, main rational, BROWN skin, US citizen, green card no matter, dump in a van and off to an inhumane cell highly overcrowded just waiting for those folks where say they were originally from Columbia as an example are now going to be deported to say Sudan, where they don't know the culture or language or moral codes or anything else about that country.
Is THAT ok with you? I am not talking about hypotheticals here I am talking about REALITY. ICE agents refuse to identify themselves so what happens if the dude being kidnapped happened to be say a brown skin Proud boy with a couple of pistols on him and with no ID he thinks who the hell ARE these folks and with no ID I am not going to lie down and let them shove me into an unmarked van and maybe my wife gets a message, give us 20,000 dollars and we let your husband go free.
So that kind of thoughts going through his head and he goes FK YOU ASSSHOLES and pulls out a pistol, say in Florida where you are legally allowed to carry and self defense laws, so there are all of a sudden 3 dead ICE agents who could have avoided that confrontation if they only ID'd themselves, So is your stance, they don't have to ID CRAP and I totally agree with the treatments of those sub humans and I don't give a rats ass they can't talk to a lawyer because I KNOW they are all drug dealers, rapists, trafficers, and the like. Is THAT your stance?
To me that is a MUCH MUCH larger issue than student loan forgiveness but I think it is a safe bet you figure the student loan forgiveness program is the most important issue in the US, well, besides trans kids competing in girls sports or the massive invasion going on at the border. So I talked only about two issues.
Does that mean because these are complex issues that NEEDS more than a flipping paragraph to write, does that mean you are incapable of talking about issues as complex as ICE treatment of prisoners?
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@AverageJoe1 saidPost it all you want, it just proves how much of an IDIOT you are, UNABLE to actually read and ABSORB what I am saying much less coming up with a rational rebuttal. You don't DO rebuttal, you know, that part where you have read the whole deal and take it apart piece by piece.
Really something, huh? I think I will post it again.
Because you NEVER look piece by piece, paragraph by paragraph, you are literally incapable of reading that far so like I said I bang my head against the wall trying to get you to talk about stuff that TAKES more than a paragraph to explore.
@sonhouse saidSHouse wants me to 'absorb what (he) is saying". I will do that after i journalize all the postings of the Sorutkra poster, same difference. Actually, his nail it a bit more than yours. A bit more zero.
Post it all you want, it just proves how much of an IDIOT you are, UNABLE to actually read and ABSORB what I am saying much less coming up with a rational rebuttal. You don't DO rebuttal, you know, that part where you have read the whole deal and take it apart piece by piece.
Because you NEVER look piece by piece, paragraph by paragraph, you are literally incapable of readi ...[text shortened]... against the wall trying to get you to talk about stuff that TAKES more than a paragraph to explore.
Go wring a chicken's neck, I am having a glass of Port sitting on Lake Como, there aint no chickens in sight.
@AverageJoe1 saidYou are talking BULLCRAP, too bad I can't write the real word for poop.
SHouse wants me to 'absorb what (he) is saying". I will do that after i journalize all the postings of the Sorutkra poster, same difference. Actually, his nail it a bit more than yours. A bit more zero.
Go wring a chicken's neck, I am having a glass of Port sitting on Lake Como, there aint no chickens in sight.
That like asininne comment you just made is anything like a rebuttal.
More like NYA NYA NYA, I know you are so what am I kind of level of response.
Like I said you are not worth 'debating' with because you NEVER debate, something you refuse to do, just push more BS and more BS instead of diving into the issue written.
Like I said historians voted Trump as THE WORSE POTUS in US history, and did you go, NO HE ISN'T , HOOVER was WAY worse because he caused the great depression or ANY answer like that which I could debate about but NO you go YEAH, well what about HUNTERS LAPTOP or some other POS like that.
@sonhouse saidSorry , if you had a question in there, like the ones I write that you and Marauder and your ilk never answer I would have answered it. I think you only just reported the historian news. You literally are telling me what I SHOULD have said!!! Boy you are right, you have got debating down, the judges would have given you an A for that line.
You are talking BULLCRAP, too bad I can't write the real word for poop.
That like asininne comment you just made is anything like a rebuttal.
More like NYA NYA NYA, I know you are so what am I kind of level of response.
Like I said you are not worth 'debating' with because you NEVER debate, something you refuse to do, just push more BS and more BS instead of diving into ...[text shortened]... I could debate about but NO you go YEAH, well what about HUNTERS LAPTOP or some other POS like that.
Anyway, if that was a question I truly think that Trump would rate probably 9th or 10th. Certainly the most resilient, and easily the best deal-maker of all time. Are you an expert on deals too?
So you asked me a question did you? Missed it. A little late here, about to turn in. I just hate it.,
@AverageJoe1 saidAnd what grade do you think would be given you for the way you 'debate'?
Sorry , if you had a question in there, like the ones I write that you and Marauder and your ilk never answer I would have answered it. I think you only just reported the historian news. You literally are telling me what I SHOULD have said!!! Boy you are right, you have got debating down, the judges would have given you an A for that line.
Anyway, if that was a q ...[text shortened]... u asked me a question did you? Missed it. A little late here, about to turn in. I just hate it.,
@AverageJoe1 saidThat would be all well and good so I say Trump is a criminal and you go NO he isn't based on XYand Z.
We don't debate.You talk, we (are supposed to) llsten,,,,and absorb.
But you don't do that, all you do is introduce meaningless BS having nothing to do with the subject of the debate and never have. You cannot find ANY way to credibly tell me in a debate where I say Trump is a crim, debate.
You CAN'T.
@sonhouse saidCrime: offense punishable by law....like, running a stop sign. Thus, I am a criminal.
That would be all well and good so I say Trump is a criminal and you go NO he isn't based on XYand Z.
But you don't do that, all you do is introduce meaningless BS having nothing to do with the subject of the debate and never have. You cannot find ANY way to credibly tell me in a debate where I say Trump is a crim, debate.
You CAN'T.
Take a break, little feller.
@AverageJoe1 saidJust side stepping the question. You seem to not believe those felony convictions are real. Instead you have just said WITCH HUNT or COURT CORRUPTION with ZERO evidence other than you thinking Trump said it.
Crime: offense punishable by law....like, running a stop sign. Thus, I am a criminal.
Take a break, little feller.
Give me INDEPENDENT evidence that felony conviction was a political hit job.
@Suzianne saidYou do that. You obviously cannot answer the question.
Call up one of your old history teachers. I'm sure she'll ask why you never paid attention in school.
The USA entered WW1 to help the British Empire fight Germany. Why did the USA help the same empire that set fire to the white house in the war of 1812?
Israel was created by the same empire. The empire that set fire to the white house. Why did the USA ally itself with the evil empire? Call up one of your old history teachers and notice how uncomfortable that teacher is when you ask.
@Metal-Brain saidYour question is childish in the extreme.
The USA entered WW1 to help the British Empire fight Germany. Why did the USA help the same empire that set fire to the white house in the war of 1812?
Over a hundred years separated those two events. In the meantime, the two countries became allies. Why this is fantastical to you defies description.
@Suzianne said"the two countries became allies"
Your question is childish in the extreme.
Over a hundred years separated those two events. In the meantime, the two countries became allies. Why this is fantastical to you defies description.
Why? When? The USA did not have to enter WW1. Did the USA become a puppet of the British Empire?
France was overthrown by the British empire. So naturally France became an ally of the empire. Puppet nations usually do. We were not overthrown so why do we serve the British Empire? What did we get out of fighting WW1?
https://www.forbes.com/sites/dougbandow/2015/05/06/sailing-and-sinking-the-rms-lusitania-a-century-of-lying-america-into-war/