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  1. Zugzwang
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    05 Jan '21 11:371 edit
    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/jan/05/trump-is-trying-to-thwart-democracy-itself-but-the-problem-is-deeper-than-one-man

    "Trump is trying to thwart democracy itself. But the problem is deeper than one man.
    Republicans have carefully cultivated rot in the voting system.
    It didn’t start with Trump and it won’t end after he leaves."

    "The rot runs deep inside a Republican party that has not only lost faith
    in democracy but bet its future on rule-rigging and minority rule.
    The party has subverted free and fair elections for years, in ways so
    ordinary that they’ve been accepted as politics as usual for far too long."

    "Trump was created, in part, by the preceding years of gerrymandering
    and voter suppression that put the most extreme voices in control.
    They’re not going anywhere. They remain in power. They have not been chastened.
    There will be a next time. Our democracy may not be so lucky."

    The Republican Party has become a white nationalist party fundamentally
    committed to voter suppression and perpetual (future) white minority rule.
    Most white Americans support the Republican Party because that's evidently what they want.

    Conflict is inevitable as non-white minorities increase in numbers in the USA.
    There will be a ruthless war fought at the polls, in the courts, in the media,
    and in the streets.
  2. Standard membermchill
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    05 Jan '21 14:22
    @duchess64 said
    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/jan/05/trump-is-trying-to-thwart-democracy-itself-but-the-problem-is-deeper-than-one-man

    "Trump is trying to thwart democracy itself. But the problem is deeper than one man.
    Republicans have carefully cultivated rot in the voting system.
    It didn’t start with Trump and it won’t end after he leaves."

    "The rot runs deep i ...[text shortened]...
    There will be a ruthless war fought at the polls, in the courts, in the media,
    and in the streets.
    "The rot runs deep inside a Republican party that has not only lost faith
    in democracy but bet its future on rule-rigging and minority rule.


    This is an elegantly worded, and very truthful statement. I wish I could express my thoughts as well as this-
  3. Subscriberkevcvs57
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    05 Jan '21 14:46
    @mchill said
    "The rot runs deep inside a Republican party that has not only lost faith
    in democracy but bet its future on rule-rigging and minority rule.


    This is an elegantly worded, and very truthful statement. I wish I could express my thoughts as well as this-
    Yeah me too, them guardian contributors and editors are probably working from home now.
    But yes it’s a very eloquent and accurate article.
    I’m not sure what might have happened if the republicans controlled both houses and what could stop them from voiding the election.
    I remember mad Mitch telling his fellow Republican senators not to try and block the confirmation because it was futile due to the Dems holding the H o R. That’s not the same as saying it was immoral or unconstitutional. Maybe in the future the POTUS will be elected by congress if one party has a majority in both houses.
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    05 Jan '21 17:05
    @kevcvs57
    Our democracy is teetering on the brink of failure.
    Even if we win both Georgia senate seats republicans will still be there scheming to take over in 2024 when it might be business as usual for the party that used to be called republican.

    It is no longer a republican party.

    It is the stolenocracy.
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    05 Jan '21 18:56
    @mchill said
    "The rot runs deep inside a Republican party that has not only lost faith
    in democracy but bet its future on rule-rigging and minority rule.


    This is an elegantly worded, and very truthful statement. I wish I could express my thoughts as well as this-
    Hi everybody. Was there rot in the congress for 3 years with that nasty Schiff guy, and hundreds of others, trying to unseat (a coup, they all it in the banana repub) our president?. Was that rot? What is rot to a liberal, anyway?
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    05 Jan '21 19:10
    @duchess64 said
    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/jan/05/trump-is-trying-to-thwart-democracy-itself-but-the-problem-is-deeper-than-one-man

    "Trump is trying to thwart democracy itself. But the problem is deeper than one man.
    Republicans have carefully cultivated rot in the voting system.
    It didn’t start with Trump and it won’t end after he leaves."

    "The rot runs deep i ...[text shortened]...
    There will be a ruthless war fought at the polls, in the courts, in the media,
    and in the streets.
    He has the right to have evidence heard by congress. Trying to change people's minds is what everybody does. is not a threat to democracy, it is a process to insure it.

    Even if the evidence is compelling democrats will not vote his way. Even some republicans will not vote his way. I think it is safe to assume Romney will side with the democrats against Trump.

    Stop complaining about it. You all are whining about it as much as Trump is. We all know Biden will be the next president. Now most republicans will think the election was stolen much like the democrats thought that for 4 years. You leftist beat your conspiracy theory like a dead horse and now it is the republican's turn.

    This is all an effort to divide and conquer with the added benefit of a distraction from real issues. You are all both being played against each other with conspiracy theories. You are all suckers!
  7. Zugzwang
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    05 Jan '21 20:08
    @sonhouse said
    @kevcvs57
    Our democracy is teetering on the brink of failure.
    Even if we win both Georgia senate seats republicans will still be there scheming to take over in 2024 when it might be business as usual for the party that used to be called republican.

    It is no longer a republican party.

    It is the stolenocracy.
    The Republican Party is fundamentally anti-democratic, but too few Democratic
    politicians are willing to call out that fact in public. Instead, most Democratic
    politicians like to act as if Republican behavior is normal and acceptable to them.
    Most Democratic politicians (particularly Biden) like to encourage 'bipartisanship',
    compromising with ruthless Republican politicians (giving them most of what they demand),
    and mealy-mouthed shows of complete 'respect' for all Republican politicians.

    It's no wonder that many Americans, particularly non-white or working-class people,
    believe that the Democratic Party establishment is afraid to stand up for their interests
    beyond the most minimalist or token ways.

    I would add that much Republican Party 'success' has come because so many
    Democratic politicians (including Biden) are so uninspiring (to put it mildly).
    Even the 'very liberal' Elizabeth Warren proudly declares that she's 'a capitalist to her bones'.
    The Democratic Party's 'vision' (if it has one) for the future may include more black
    and brown (though not necessarily Asian) faces in public office, but its substance
    offers hardly anything more than a slightly less unfair system of American capitalism.

    By appealing to eternal American racism, Trump and the Republicans have been
    able to misdirect the (largely understandable) fears and rage of working-class
    white Americans toward non-white Americans (or China, the invaluable scapegoat)
    rather than toward the American capitalist system itself and the deep rot within it.
  8. Subscriberkevcvs57
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    @averagejoe1 said
    Hi everybody. Was there rot in the congress for 3 years with that nasty Schiff guy, and hundreds of others, trying to unseat (a coup, they all it in the banana repub) our president?. Was that rot? What is rot to a liberal, anyway?
    They tried to impeach a corrupt and criminal POTUS but even if they succeeded their would still have been a Republican in the White House which is what the people voted for.
    It amazes me that I know more about the political system in the US than you do joe, why is that?
    What Trump and his Republican sycophants are trying to do is overturn democracy itself eagerly supported by his anti American treacherous base out there in racist Hicksville. You guys need a wall, just not in your southern border.
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    @metal-brain said
    He has the right to have evidence heard by congress. Trying to change people's minds is what everybody does. is not a threat to democracy, it is a process to insure it.

    Even if the evidence is compelling democrats will not vote his way. Even some republicans will not vote his way. I think it is safe to assume Romney will side with the democrats against Trump.

    Stop c ...[text shortened]... ues. You are all both being played against each other with conspiracy theories. You are all suckers!
    Hahaha more political satyr from the master 👍
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    06 Jan '21 09:11
    @duchess64 said
    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/jan/05/trump-is-trying-to-thwart-democracy-itself-but-the-problem-is-deeper-than-one-man

    "Trump is trying to thwart democracy itself. But the problem is deeper than one man.
    Republicans have carefully cultivated rot in the voting system.
    It didn’t start with Trump and it won’t end after he leaves."

    "The rot runs deep i ...[text shortened]...
    There will be a ruthless war fought at the polls, in the courts, in the media,
    and in the streets.
    What about the 8 years under Obama?
  11. Subscriberdivegeester
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    @sonhouse said
    @kevcvs57
    Even if we win both Georgia senate seats republicans will still be there scheming to take over in 2024
    Are you suggesting the opposition party shouldn't be “scheming” to win the 2024 election?
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    06 Jan '21 10:08
    @averagejoe1 said
    Hi everybody. Was there rot in the congress for 3 years with that nasty Schiff guy, and hundreds of others, trying to unseat (a coup, they all it in the banana repub) our president?. Was that rot? What is rot to a liberal, anyway?
    Adam Schiff is a god-damned hero.
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