Trump: "Our Wages are Too High"

Originally posted by whodey
Well here is the thing, he can either take another job offered or attempt to seek government hand outs or he can go into business for himself.

I don't see how working for a low wage changes any of this? Maybe he lives at home with his parents and pockets all of the money. If so, he probably end up with more money to spend than many who make a $100,000 a ...[text shortened]... inking the same way and doing the same things cuz it makes us happy knowing there is no dissent.

"or he can go into business for himself. "
yep, that's a prospect of everyone.

"But alas, socialism is about taking our options away, isn't it?"
how do you come up with this nonsense?
socialism is about everyone contributing a little so that everyone HAS options. so that someone has the option to not die if he gets sick. so that someone has the option to maybe get an education. so that someone has the option to leave his bad job and try in another knowing he won't die of hunger or illness or cold in the meantime.


"It's all about thinking the same way "
yes. those sweeds and their hive mind controlling them. they may seem happy on the outside but beneath that blonde hair lies emptiness.

only an american with 100 thousand dollars in medical bills or college loans can know true freedom.

Originally posted by Zahlanzi
[b]"or he can go into business for himself. "
yep, that's a prospect of everyone.

It should be. Unfortunately, it is near impossible to go into business for yourself thanks to government sponsored corporatism.

There are now too many regulations and fees associated with starting a business. All we are left with is massive corporations to rule over us. Now to start a business you have to pay a certain wage and pay for certain benefits and hire an army of lawyers to meet all their regulations etc. Small business hire about 2/3 of the work force, which is why no one is working anymore.

It is like pot laws that get passed. They forbid you growing it at home and selling it. Why? It's cuz they say it is "dangerous" for you go grow it and sell it yourself if it is not regulated. This is pure crap. The "regulate" cuz it gives them a monopoly to sell it.

Originally posted by no1marauder
http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2015/11/11/donald-trump-insists-that-wages-are-too-high/

I know quackquack agrees with this and thinks Americans will have to see their wages decreased to the levels of say Cambodians so that we can "compete" with the rest of the world, but do others think the Donald is right?

When Trump says: "Our wages are too high." does he in fact mean your wages are too high, or does he include himself in the calculation. Somehow I suspect the former.

Originally posted by Zahlanzi
"But alas, socialism is about taking our options away, isn't it?"
how do you come up with this nonsense?
socialism is about everyone contributing a little so that everyone HAS options. so that someone has the option to not die if he gets sick. so that someone has the option to maybe get an education. so that someone has the option to leave his bad job and try in another knowing he won't die of hunger or illness or cold in the meantime.

Really?

So I have the option of government sponsored health care? Who decides what doctors I see and what care I get or don't get? Is it not the government?

What option do I have for education? Is it not centrally controlled education that decides how our children are taught? What in the hell are you babbling about?

Originally posted by Zahlanzi
only an american with 100 thousand dollars in medical bills or college loans can know true freedom.[/b]

And who creates these outrageous loans? Is it not the liberals in academia?

What is the solution for government? You guessed it, they take over student loans so they can lower the interest rates so students can afford bigger and bigger loans.

Of course, this is a bubble about ready to burst, so next they will probably have tax payers flip the bill so that they can further inflate and erode away our savings.

Then when everyone has a college education, a diploma will be akin to a high school degree when it comes to getting a job.

Nice people those Progs.

Originally posted by no1marauder
http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2015/11/11/donald-trump-insists-that-wages-are-too-high/

I know quackquack agrees with this and thinks Americans will have to see their wages decreased to the levels of say Cambodians so that we can "compete" with the rest of the world, but do others think the Donald is right?

I don't think we need to increase or decrease wages. We can simply let the market determine the correct rate.

Originally posted by whodey
Really?

So I have the option of government sponsored health care? Who decides what doctors I see and what care I get or don't get? Is it not the government?

What option do I have for education? Is it not centrally controlled education that decides how our children are taught? What in the hell are you babbling about?

"Who decides what doctors I see and what care I get or don't get?"
here is a foreign concept to an american: you get sick, you go the the nearest doctor. you get whatever you need to be treated. you don't get a bill. you go home.

"What option do I have for education?"
you choose the university you want and in which you think you can get admitted. if you can't get in on the spots fully sponsored by the government, you are too dumb and/or too poor and shouldn't have picked MIT or Harvard.

"Is it not centrally controlled education that decides how our children are taught?"
what the hell do you think government sponsored education is? do you think everyone learns to bow to the statue of marx and that's it?

Originally posted by no1marauder
http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2015/11/11/donald-trump-insists-that-wages-are-too-high/

I know quackquack agrees with this and thinks Americans will have to see their wages decreased to the levels of say Cambodians so that we can "compete" with the rest of the world, but do others think the Donald is right?

I think that currently Americans earn more than people in other countries doing the same work. I think this will, with time, result in jobs moving overseas. I am less inclined to say that the solution is to pay Americans less. There are other alternatives.

In addition, the flow of jobs overseas will probably be fairly slow and as other countries gain in wealth the wage gap will decrease. I think it would be worrying for Americans to see wages elsewhere rise while theirs stagnate, but it won't actually harm them directly. Any current reductions in wages are caused more by inequality within the US than inequality globally, but of course Trump would not want you to notice that.

I also think that Trump should take a pay cut before asking anyone else to do so.

What I also find amazing is how many people have bought in to republican propaganda even though they do not actually benefit from it.

Originally posted by whodey
Every welder I've met has been a philosopher.

They understand irony.

If I recall correctly, Wajoma is a welder, and I'd say a philosopher too. He's living the dream baby.

Originally posted by no1marauder
http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2015/11/11/donald-trump-insists-that-wages-are-too-high/

I know quackquack agrees with this and thinks Americans will have to see their wages decreased to the levels of say Cambodians so that we can "compete" with the rest of the world, but do others think the Donald is right?

Minimum wages need to be adjusted for inflation or the FRS needs to stop it's legal counterfeiting scam. Since the US dollar is the world reserve currency our government will keep taxing most of the world with inflation. That leaves the former as the only real option.

I didn't watch the debate in it's entirety. Did even one candidate say inflation has been lowering the nominal minimum wage? Did Rand Paul mention it?

https://www.lewrockwell.com/lrc-blog/ron-paul-on-the-end-of-dollar-hegemony/

Originally posted by no1marauder
http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2015/11/11/donald-trump-insists-that-wages-are-too-high/

I know quackquack agrees with this and thinks Americans will have to see their wages decreased to the levels of say Cambodians so that we can "compete" with the rest of the world, but do others think the Donald is right?

Democrats and Republicans have staked out opposite views on this, and as usual, the truth lies somewhere in the middle. If wages get too high in America, then American businesses won't be able to compete with foreign companies due to the high labor costs. On the other hand, if wages become too low, American businesses are going to starve their own customer base and drive themselves out of business, since the bulk of American business's customer base comes from the working class buying from American businesses. It's a balancing act. Sadly, the two sides have become so polarized, they can't seem to agree on much.

Originally posted by bill718
Democrats and Republicans have staked out opposite views on this, and as usual, the truth lies somewhere in the middle. If wages get too high in America, then American businesses won't be able to compete with foreign companies due to the high labor costs. On the other hand, if wages become too low, American businesses are going to starve their own customer b ...[text shortened]... balancing act. Sadly, the two sides have become so polarized, they can't seem to agree on much.

"American businesses won't be able to compete with foreign companies due to the high labor costs"

That is true only because of outsourcing. Outsourcing is the root problem here. Tariffs are needed.

Originally posted by Metal Brain
"American businesses won't be able to compete with foreign companies due to the high labor costs"

That is true only because of outsourcing. Outsourcing is the root problem here. Tariffs are needed.

So we should rebuild the steel industry, right? We have let the major producers go to Germany or China. It seems to me we could redo the steel industry to be more cost effective than any Chinese company if we upped the technology to make steel production more efficient, less energy dependent. Like using the sun in Arizona or New Mexico to concentrate a few hundred megawatts of solar energy in a furnace and not have to use electricity, something like that. Expensive to start but free fuel will pay for itself eventually.