1. Standard membermchill
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    President Donald Trump and his allies say their lawsuits aimed at subverting the 2020 election and reversing his loss to Joe Biden would be substantiated, if only judges were allowed to hear the cases --There is a central flaw in the argument-- Judges have heard the cases and have been among the harshest critics of the legal arguments put forth by Trump’s legal team, often dismissing them with scathing language of repudiation. Even Trump's own hand picked judges have said there is no legal merit to Trump's (so called) evidence. Yet Trump supporters continue to bang the drum about voter fraud.

    Trump supporters can't handle the truth

    https://apnews.com/article/donald-trump-courts-election-results-e1297d874f45d2b14bc99c403abd0457

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/12/14/most-remarkable-rebukes-trumps-legal-case-judges-he-hand-picked/

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2020/12/11/supreme-courts-arizona-michigan-nevada-rejected-claims-voter-fraud/3869239001/
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    it has never been about the truth
    it's about overthrowing a fair and free election
    hang em high
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    @mchill said
    President Donald Trump and his allies say their lawsuits aimed at subverting the 2020 election and reversing his loss to Joe Biden would be substantiated, if only judges were allowed to hear the cases --There is a central flaw in the argument-- Judges have heard the cases and have been among the harshest critics of the legal arguments put forth by Trump’s legal team, often dis ...[text shortened]... /elections/2020/12/11/supreme-courts-arizona-michigan-nevada-rejected-claims-voter-fraud/3869239001/
    "judges have said there is no legal merit to Trump's (so called) evidence. "

    Not all judges ruled on the merits. Most did not.
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    @lemondrop said
    it has never been about the truth
    it's about overthrowing a fair and free election
    hang em high
    I think your spot on, we constantly give Trumps base the benefit of the doubt and assume that they’ve been fooled by Donald and his right wing conspiracy news outlet supporters.
    They know exactly who won the election but in their right wing anti democratic bones they cannot abide by it. They think the 80+ million that voted for Biden were either being duped or are anti American traitors. They see themselves and their kind as the Real America and even if Trump gets cooked to a crisp by a bolt of lightning the next time he has the temerity to raise a Bible in his hand they will not change their opinion one iota. They’ll simply scramble around in the political gutter until they find the next Trump.
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    @metal-brain said
    "judges have said there is no legal merit to Trump's (so called) evidence. "

    Not all judges ruled on the merits. Most did not.
    Not all judges ruled on the merits. Most did not.


    Oh, now you're a legal expert. And you received your law degree from - where??
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    @mchill said
    Not all judges ruled on the merits. Most did not.


    Oh, now you're a legal expert. And you received your law degree from - where??
    The university of trash in Trailerville, Mississippi.
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    @mchill said
    Not all judges ruled on the merits. Most did not.


    Oh, now you're a legal expert. And you received your law degree from - where??
    Are you disputing that?
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    @metal-brain said
    Are you disputing that?
    The judges are disputing that. Unlike you, they've examined this "so called" evidence. They think it's garbage. Take it up with them Skippy!
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    @kevcvs57 said
    I think your spot on, we constantly give Trumps base the benefit of the doubt and assume that they’ve been fooled by Donald and his right wing conspiracy news outlet supporters.
    They know exactly who won the election but in their right wing anti democratic bones they cannot abide by it. They think the 80+ million that voted for Biden were either being duped or are anti Amer ...[text shortened]... ion one iota. They’ll simply scramble around in the political gutter until they find the next Trump.
    "They think the 80+ million that voted for Biden were either being duped or are anti American traitors."
    --Kevcvs57

    Trump's supporters are very wrong, but Kevcvs57 is also very wrong in characterizing their likely motives.

    Trump's supporters are NOT disputing the right of anyone who has been 'duped' by
    the anti-Trump 'fake media' to vote for Biden. Even gullible people have the right to vote.
    And Trump's supporters are not condemning Biden as a 'traitor' for voting for Biden.

    Trump's supporters DO believe (based upon no known evidence) that a vast number voted illegally.
    And how dd they voted illegally? They believe
    1) Democratic operatives exploited vote-by-mail to cast votes in the names of
    people who were not properly registered to vote (or already dead).
    2) Many non-citizens, who did not have to show enough identification, voted against Trump.

    Regarding issue 1, that's mainly a technical argument about mail ballot security.
    So let's consider issue 2.

    Trump's supporters are NOT really complaining about, say, an Irish tourist (who's not a US citizen) voting.
    They ARE complaining about a vast number of non-white people in the USA voting.

    Trump's supporters greatly exaggerate the number of undocumented (illegal) immigrants.
    Some of them like to believe, for instance, that most of the USA's Latinos are 'illegals'.
    The "you cannot be a real American" meme applies particularly to Asian Americans.

    Trump's supporters like to believe that it's too easy for undocumented people to acquire fake identification.
    They argue that it's too hard for 'real Americans'--meaning white Americans--to
    distinguish among individual Latinos, Asians, or blacks. Don't they all look alike?

    Therefore, the best and fairest 'solution', aimed to prevent SOME non-white people
    from allegedly voting illegally, is to block ALL non-white people from voting in the first place.
    ONLY white US citizens should be allowed to vote.
    (I know a Trump supporter who said that apartheid South Africa was 'more democratic' than the USA. )

    Kevcvs57 fails to comprehend that what Trump's base really wants is massive DISENFRANCHISEMENT.

    Most white men and most white women--again--voted for Trump.
    IF ONLY white Americans could vote, the Republican Party would stay in power indefinitely.
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    @duchess64 said
    "They think the 80+ million that voted for Biden were either being duped or are anti American traitors."
    --Kevcvs57

    Trump's supporters are very wrong, but Kevcvs57 is also very wrong in characterizing their likely motives.

    Trump's supporters are NOT disputing the right of anyone who has been 'duped' by
    the anti-Trump 'fake media' to vote for Biden. Even gullible p ...[text shortened]... r Trump.
    IF ONLY white Americans could vote, the Republican Party would stay in power indefinitely.
    if only asians could vote, andrew yang would be president
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    @lemondrop said
    if only asians could vote, andrew yang would be president
    Can Lemondrop cite any evidence that MOST Asian Americans voted for Andrew Yang
    to become the Democratic nominee for President?
    In reality, Asian Americans are significantly underrepresented in government.

    Is Lemondrop implicitly conceding that the Republican Party is a de facto white nationalist party?
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    The ONLY reason those tens of millions believe that is because TRUMP told them so and since he is their god king, he can do no wrong and always tells the truth.

    That is the long and short of it.
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    @sonhouse said
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    The ONLY reason those tens of millions believe that is because TRUMP told them so and since he is their god king, he can do no wrong and always tells the truth.

    That is the long and short of it.
    "Reuters/Ipsos polling, tragically, shows 39% of Americans believe ‘the election was rigged’.
    That belief is held by Republicans (67% ), Democrats (17% ), and Independents (31% )."
    --The Guardian
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    @mchill said
    The judges are disputing that. Unlike you, they've examined this "so called" evidence. They think it's garbage. Take it up with them Skippy!
    I think you are making it up.
    If not, you can easily provide your source of information, right?
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    I think you are again being intellectually lazy, unable or unwilling to do the google search for yourself.

    Do your OWN look for a change.

    I think you don't WANT to do that for fear of finding out the sad truth that there IS no evidence and some of those so called lawyers actually said that when asked.

    Pathetic is what it is but that is not the point.

    The whole point is the lawsuits are just part of a very large grift by your god king Trump and THAT was an outstanding success.

    200 Million + and counting as a result of those trumpites who thought they were actually accomplishing something legally but the reality was it was all a ploy to get Trump's base to give him MILLIONS. Hundreds of millions actually.

    THAT is the truth. But you are WAY to hypnotized to EVER see that. Sad really.
    Sad for the experiment we call democracy.

    You don't WANT democracy, you WANT a dictator and Trump will do that job more than willingly.
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