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https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/ck77xpkr0x8o
There’s a new front line in Donald Trump’s battle to get elected.
Just minutes after he was found guilty on all 34 felony counts on Thursday, I heard from a person close to the former president who described this moment as a “civil war” within the Republican Party.
The historic nature of Trump’s criminal conviction is being leveraged by his campaign as a sort of roll-call vote to see which politicians will defend the former president and which of them will defend America’s legal system. It appears you can’t do both.
Last night, a weather balloon was sent up.
Larry Hogan, a moderate Republican who is running for an open Senate seat in liberal-leaning Maryland, took to social media to urge all Americans to “respect the verdict and the legal process”.
Within minutes, Chris LaCivita, a top official on Trump’s campaign, posted a crystal-clear reply to Mr Hogan: “You just ended your campaign.” The implication: if you’re not with us on this, you’re politically dead.
“This is a quintessential show trial,” Rubio said. “This is what you see in communist countries. This is what I grew up having people in the [Cuban exile] community tell me about. It happened in the days after the Castro revolution.”
Comparing America’s system of justice - with its independent juries and open trials and rule of law - to that of communist Cuba will stun many Americans. Mr Rubio isn’t just saying that these particular jurors made the wrong call in finding Trump guilty. He is going much further than that. He is making a full-blown denunciation of America’s legal system at large.
This is just part of the article, it’s quite interesting in its entirety.
Is the republican party going to rip itself in two?
There was a trial, open court, scrutiny, a jury, appeal possibilities… comparing the US judicial system to that of a banana republic is rather extreme. Yes, personally, I think there are serious problema in the system, but that’s got more to do with the mechanisms of the top court and permanent appointments, than the methodology of the normal courts.
Interesting times in the US.
@shavixmir
Oh, it was indeed a show trial -- but it was Trump who made it so.
Americans should respect the process and the verdict. His lawyers had their opportunity to vet each juror individually. There was no bias, it's not a 'politically motivated' verdict. He's guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.
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PS The claim some people are making that the trial is politically motivated to prevent him from running for office is patently false. A trial does not prevent him from running for office. There is a historical precedent: Eugene Debs ran for office while in prison and even received votes. Trump can too.
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@moonbus saidhow do you vet a liberal? by nature they lie like a dog
@shavixmir
Oh, it was indeed a show trial -- but it was Trump who made it so.
Americans should respect the process and the verdict. His lawyers had their opportunity to vet each juror individually. There was no bias, it's not a 'politically motivated' verdict. He's guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.
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@moonbus saidyou win the stupidest comment of the day
PS The claim some people are making that the trial is politically motivated to prevent him from running for office is patently false. A trial does not prevent him from running for office. There is a historical precedent: Eugene Debs ran for office while in prison and even received votes. Trump can too.
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@moonbus saidI don't think it was a show trial (show trial. n. a judicial trial held in public with the intention of influencing or satisfying public opinion, rather than of ensuring justice.)
@shavixmir
Oh, it was indeed a show trial -- but it was Trump who made it so.
Americans should respect the process and the verdict. His lawyers had their opportunity to vet each juror individually. There was no bias, it's not a 'politically motivated' verdict. He's guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.
Trump is a petty, small-minded narcissist and bully with an inflated ego and inherited wealth. He imagines himself to be HUGELY more important and capable than he is - but it was his father who had the talent. Anyone who gets close to Trump rapidly finds out what an idiot he is.
For all of Trump's life, he's managed to skirt the law and decent behavior because of an army of slavish toadies, well-paid to submerge their principles and act with mindless loyalty, along with a bank of well-funded lawyers which protect most of the rich in this country from consequences. He's never been held accountable in his life - UNTIL he decided to overreach and run for President.
He wasn't supposed to win, but when he did, his downfall became virtually certain. It was his first "difficult" job and it quickly became plain that he didn't have the character, ability or leadership skills to do it. The worst thing for him though was that he suddenly brought attention to himself. He couldn't stop with the petty cons and crimes that he's always committed, but he's never been important enough in the past to REALLY go after. He'd always been able to stall and bully people with a smirk and a 'talk to my lawyers.' Not anymore.
The Presidency was a Bridge Too Far. Fortune's Wheel which lifts people up, can also cast them down again.
There is a lot of nonsense about 'Trump Hating,' but he isn't important enough to have a strong opinion about. It's annoying to see an incompetent in office, but we lived through Bush. Most of us saw the system dealing with him and just decided to live with it. UNTIL he tried to overthrow the US government. That's where he crossed the line.
In 'Lonesome Dove' there is exchange between Gus McCrae and Jake Spoon. Gus is getting ready to hang his old friend as an outlaw, and Jake says, 'I didn't see no line, Gus.' And Gus says, 'I'm sure that's true, Jake.'
Trump crossed the line, and he has to pay the price - even if he is a pathetic little fool. It's a shame, but there it is. He got too big for his britches.
This is not a show trial. It is a bell-weather trial of more important things to come.
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@spruce112358 saidbeing queer fuks up your thinking
I don't think it was a show trial (show trial. n. a judicial trial held in public with the intention of influencing or satisfying public opinion, rather than of ensuring justice.)
Trump is a petty, small-minded narcissist and bully with an inflated ego and inherited wealth. He imagines himself to be HUGELY more important and capable than he is - but it was his father ...[text shortened]... britches.
This is not a show trial. It is a bell-weather trial of more important things to come.
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@spruce112358 saidEverything Trump does is show, The Trump Show. “Mommy, mommy, look at me!” It's high time he got his comeuppance.
I don't think it was a show trial (show trial. n. a judicial trial held in public with the intention of influencing or satisfying public opinion, rather than of ensuring justice.)
Trump is a petty, small-minded narcissist and bully with an inflated ego and inherited wealth. He imagines himself to be HUGELY more important and capable than he is - but it was his father ...[text shortened]... britches.
This is not a show trial. It is a bell-weather trial of more important things to come.
He can’t win the popular vote in 2024. What concerns me is not the vote, but the counting. 2020 was a dry run: his people seized voting machines and broke into them. We must assume that Trump’s people decompiled the software and now know how to manipulate the tally.
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@shavixmir said$53 000 000 in 24 hours.
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/ck77xpkr0x8o
[quote]There’s a new front line in Donald Trump’s battle to get elected.
Just minutes after he was found guilty on all 34 felony counts on Thursday, I heard from a person close to the former president who described this moment as a “civil war” within the Republican Party.
The historic nature of Trump’s criminal convict ...[text shortened]... d permanent appointments, than the methodology of the normal courts.
Interesting times in the US.
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@spruce112358 saidInteresting poll result. Others would probably show increased support for Trump to carry on, to remodel a justice dept. perceived to have been weaponized.
@moonbus
Poll: “49% of Independents and 15% of Republicans said Trump should end his campaign because of the conviction.” Via @axios
https://x.com/ianbassin/status/1796918334044467231?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
Trump's own words will come back to haunt him. In 2016, he said Hillary Clinton should not be president with an indictment hanging over her head, as a president under indictment would “cripple the operations of our government” and create an “unprecedented constitutional crisis.” Well, now we have a declared candidate who's actually been convicted, on 34 serious charges, with other even more serious indictments yet to come to trial. Let him eat crow.
https://edition.cnn.com/2023/07/03/politics/kfile-trump-president-indictment-halt-government/index.html
However, given his past histrionics, I expect he will double down and barge ahead, to cheering crowds of enthralled Trumpettes.
I just wish the Democrats had spent the last eight years grooming a better candidate than Biden, instead of reeling from Trump's ever-increasing outrageousness.
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@Wajoma
Just enough money to pay off his lawyers. Then he can work on the 300 million+ for his fraud charges.
I guess you figure there was nothing there when Eric was the one showing up at the trial, no wife, no daughter, not much of anyone in his corner.