...with appeasement. 😆
It's funny how unaware people are.
One of the opening acts of WW2 was Germany occupying Czech Sudetenland because of 'German-speaking people' there. Similar to Russia occupying part of Ukraine because of 'Russian-speaking people' there. Because of ineffectual opposition, Germany later occupied all of Czechoslovakia. Just as Russia will soon occupy all of Ukraine, and for the same reason.
Russia considers Estonia, Lativia, and Lithuania to be 'Russian.' Once they succeed in taking Ukraine, they will not hesitate to occupy those small nations. Hungary (this time a Russian ally) has dreams of taking Romanian land - a concept they call 'Greater Hungary.' (I only became aware of this when I visited Szeged for a conference.) But Hungarian strongman Orban will be emboldened and urged on by Russia to take the land he wants. Moldova will be similarly absorbed. Slovakia is wavering, and Russia has its eye on Czech technology which could usefully be absorbed into its war effort. Perennially irritated Serbia will be activated at the right moment to initiate their longed-for 'Greater Serbia.'
NATO, with Trump leading the United States, will be ineffective in responding to these threats. Anyway, Trump promised Ukraine to Putin in their secret meeting.
So Europe will slouch towards World War Three. All because we elected Trump and chose 'appeasement,' as Neville Chamberlain did in 1938.
North Korea and Russia are now firm friends, and China is a 'partner.' How long before the Chinese Communist Party decides that the next economic downturn threatens its own existence and that the answer to their own survival is war? All dictatorships and authoritarian regimes use war as a tool to to prop themselves up. Putin knows - as Hitler and Napoleon did before him - that the only way he stays afloat is through constant warfare. The minute peace is declared, he is gone. So he cannot afford that.
Those who do not recall the past are condemned to relive it.
There is a principle behind all this which we are violating in the extreme: that of national sovereignty and secure borders to guarantee peace. The US and Russia promised Ukraine secure borders, in exchange for giving up their nuclear arsenal. Ukraine has now learned bitterly what a mistake that was.
The UN is nothing more than a diplomatic sewing circle - no more useful than the League of Nations was in securing world peace - another 'repeat of history.' Nations around the world are taking in these lessons: "Build nuclear arsenals. Take the land you want. The UN and the West will do nothing."
Anyway - ENJOY, you morons! Voting for Trump you brought about WW3! 😆
Given that militarism and conquest is the way the world is going, America needs to set her eye on something. I have a modest proposal: Cuba.
Cuba has always been American territory. See! We already have a military base there. Our common history is intertwined. That we will be reunited is inevitable.
The arrogance and insults we have endured from the current illegitimate Cuban communist regime have gone on for far too long. We have been extremely patient, but our patience is limited. Other countries should beware not to trample on our good nature!
We will not tolerate any interference in American internal affairs. We will always take steps to defend ourselves. We have zero tolerance for foreign aggression! Any attempt to aid Cuban terrorists will be met with an overwhelming response. Nuclear options will not be taken off the table if the world decides to embark on a course of ill-informed posturing and juvenile hectoring!
Cuba will return to being free American soil, for Americans to use and exploit, as God intended!!!
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@spruce112358 saidNope. He wants to end the war in Ukraine. He did not start any wars in his first term. Wrong, wrong, ummm you are wrong.
...with appeasement. 😆
It's funny how unaware people are.
One of the opening acts of WW2 was Germany occupying Czech Sudetenland because of 'German-speaking people' there. Similar to Russia occupying part of Ukraine because of 'Russian-speaking people' there. Because of ineffectual opposition, Germany later occupied all of Czechoslovakia. Just as Russia will soon ...[text shortened]... the West will do nothing."
Anyway - ENJOY, you morons! Voting for Trump you brought about WW3! 😆
@spruce112358 saidAbsolutely. Concise summary of the actual situation.
...with appeasement. 😆
It's funny how unaware people are.
One of the opening acts of WW2 was Germany occupying Czech Sudetenland because of 'German-speaking people' there. Similar to Russia occupying part of Ukraine because of 'Russian-speaking people' there. Because of ineffectual opposition, Germany later occupied all of Czechoslovakia. Just as Russia will soon ...[text shortened]... the West will do nothing."
Anyway - ENJOY, you morons! Voting for Trump you brought about WW3! 😆
@boonon saidGrow up.
Nope. He wants to end the war in Ukraine. He did not start any wars in his first term. Wrong, wrong, ummm you are wrong.
Stop taking a liar's word for it.
You know that "end the war" means give the Russians what they want, right?
How did America turn into such pussies?
We can't even stand up and do the right thing any more.
@boonon saidNobody accused Trump to have started the war, that was Putin.
Nope. He wants to end the war in Ukraine. He did not start any wars in his first term. Wrong, wrong, ummm you are wrong.
What Trump said is that the war will stop more or less imidiately. There are roughly two ways to obatin that:
* Tell Putin that he will be exterminated aifhe continues (and doing it, Putin won't stand back)
* Tell zelensky to capitulate and serve Putin the Ukraine (or at least prts of it) on a silver platter.
@spruce112358 saidnope, i don;t agree
...with appeasement. 😆
It's funny how unaware people are.
One of the opening acts of WW2 was Germany occupying Czech Sudetenland because of 'German-speaking people' there. Similar to Russia occupying part of Ukraine because of 'Russian-speaking people' there. Because of ineffectual opposition, Germany later occupied all of Czechoslovakia. Just as Russia will soon ...[text shortened]... the West will do nothing."
Anyway - ENJOY, you morons! Voting for Trump you brought about WW3! 😆
i am not worried about ww3. In fact, he will probably leave NATO or signal he won't do anything if Putin invades NATO countries (which i guess is the same as leaving) or if China invades Taiwan.
"NATO, with Trump leading the United States, will be ineffective in responding to these threats."
It's hilarious how everyone thinks NATO is just one country. Even if the US leaves it, there are still monsters left in it, albeit little monsters (because nobody spends on shiny toys like the US).
Russia struggles in the Ukraine just because of some outdated toys Biden sent their way, What do you think will happen if Russia invades a NATO country even without US being a part of the response.
"North Korea and Russia are now firm friends"
Oh yeah, one struggling economy and one joke. The axis of evil right there.
"and China is a 'partner.'"
China wants to make money. It won't follow Russia into a war so Russia can annex some former soviet states.
"How long before the Chinese Communist Party decides that the next economic downturn threatens its own existence and that the answer to their own survival is war?"
This is some doomsdaying you've got going on.
"All dictatorships and authoritarian regimes use war as a tool to to prop themselves up"
Yeah., Putin. Not the second largest economy (soon probably the first) in the world.
I won;'t go on. I might have been exceedingly sarcastic in my post, for which i apologize, but you're just plain wrong. If anything, WW3 is less likely with Trump because he will give in to any demand about Ukraine. It will fall and Putin will spend his time trying to recover the russian economy. He might annex Moldova or any non nato country (though why bother, really) but to think he will invade Nato...
@Ponderable saidRussians are already mocking Trump for saying he will end the war immediately (when he said that he didn't outright say "it will end because i will give Putin whatever he wants"😉
Nobody accused Trump to have started the war, that was Putin.
What Trump said is that the war will stop more or less imidiately. There are roughly two ways to obatin that:
* Tell Putin that he will be exterminated aifhe continues (and doing it, Putin won't stand back)
* Tell zelensky to capitulate and serve Putin the Ukraine (or at least prts of it) on a silver platter.
Most likely Trump will withdraw any support from Ukraine and then the European countries will have to decide if they want to spend more money annoying Putin.
The only reasons Putin invaded Ukraine was that he thought Biden and UE was weak and the invasion will be done successfully in 2 weeks. He didn't account for Ukraine resisting and UE and US sending this much aid.
Now he has a sunken cost in Ukraine and thinks (perhaps rightfully so) he has to continue or else his power will be gone.
@Zahlanzi saidI hope I am wrong. 🙂
you're just plain wrong. If anything, WW3 is less likely with Trump because he will give in to any demand about Ukraine. It will fall and Putin will spend his time trying to recover the russian economy. He might annex Moldova or any non nato country (though why bother, really) but to think he will invade Nato...
Appeasement does not make war less likely. It makes it MORE likely. Predators will back down if confronted. But if the prey acts weak, they escalate. That's just a fact of nature.
Being Romanian, you know that Hungary has an eye on some of your territory. If Orban decides he is going to take it, do you really think Donald Trump is going to rush to your aid? What about Britain? France? Really?
Viktor Orban 'Greater Hungary' scarf angers Romania and Ukraine
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-63724710
@spruce112358 said"I hope I am wrong. 🙂 "
I hope I am wrong. 🙂
Appeasement does not make war less likely. It makes it MORE likely. Predators will back down if confronted. But if the prey acts weak, they escalate. That's just a fact of nature.
Being Romanian, you know that Hungary has an eye on some of your territory. If Orban decides he is going to take it, do you really think Donald Trump is going to rus ...[text shortened]... ater Hungary' scarf angers Romania and Ukraine[/b]
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-63724710
I hope i am right 😀 My scenario is grim enough.
"Appeasement does not make war less likely"
Well, yes, but in this case we only have the US with Trump in charge potentially appeasing Putin, the EU is not going to allow Putin to just march west unopposed.
"Being Romanian, you know that Hungary has an eye on some of your territory. If Orban decides he is going to take it, do you really think Donald Trump is going to rush to your aid?"
Common man 😀 that's ludicrous. Ungary and Romania are both in the EU and NATO. There are a million things that need to happen for that to be even remotely probable.
We might as well discuss whether Trump would honor NATO if klingons invade Canada. Or LOTR orcs.
@Zahlanzi saidI hope so, for your sake. I would have said there were a million things that needed to happen before Roe v Wade was overturned, after which DJT got a second term in office.
Ungary and Romania are both in the EU and NATO. There are a million things that need to happen for that to be even remotely probable.
Apparently, a million things can happen very fast. 😆