19 Apr 09
First of all, I want to have a thread that does not become a Palestine-Israel debate, as so many of my other threads invariably become.
Since the fall of the Ottoman Empire, Turkey has been a military state. There is little debate about this. It's not a junta per se, but it's military. The debate comes with the question of, how has Turkey's militarism affected its status as a democracy? Has the militarism affected this status at all? etc. You get the idea. Feel free to bring forth other related questions; otherwise this thread will get very dry very quickly.
Discuss!
19 Apr 09
Originally posted by AThousandYoungI recommend you read "The Myth of the Military Nation: Militarism, Gender, and Education in Turkey" by Dr. Ayse Gul Altinay or "Modernity, Islam, and Secularism in Turkey: Bodies, Places, and Time" by Alev Cinar.
I haven't looked into Turkey's politics much. What makes it a military state? I am not saying I think you're wrong, but I'd like to be educated on this.
19 Apr 09
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Originally posted by scherzoI'm not interested enough to track down specific books, but thanks for the suggestions. I was hoping you could explain it yourself.
I recommend you read "The Myth of the Military Nation: Militarism, Gender, and Education in Turkey" by Dr. Ayse Gul Altinay or "Modernity, Islam, and Secularism in Turkey: Bodies, Places, and Time" by Alev Cinar.
19 Apr 09
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Originally posted by AThousandYoungThat's fine.
I'm not interested enough to track down specific books, but thanks for the suggestions. I was hoping you could explain it yourself.
Military service is compulsory for all men over age 20 (18 months of "Fatherland Service" ). This is not only sexist, it is the mark of a military state.
19 Apr 09
Originally posted by scherzoit is the mark of a military state.
That's fine.
Military service is compulsory for all men over age 20 (18 months of "Fatherland Service" ). This is not only sexist, it is the mark of a military state.
not really.
Brazil has a draft system, when a male reaches 18 yrs of age he has to serve in the forces (unless he is in university or is incapable for other reasons).
19 Apr 09
Originally posted by generalissimoThat's different. That's the governmental attempt to get non-college-educated students to do something for their country.
[b]it is the mark of a military state.
not really.
Brazil has a draft system, when a male reaches 18 yrs of age he has to serve in the forces (unless he is in university or is incapable for other reasons).[/b]
19 Apr 09
Originally posted by scherzoIm against the draft, but I don't think that makes a country a military state.
So, cannon fodder is a bit of an overstatement, yes?
If it bothers you, though, we can call Brazil a military state too. Now back to Turkey.
I think Turkey is doing well, I mean, its not the only country to have influence from the army, it could be worse eg musharraf-era pakistan.
19 Apr 09
Originally posted by generalissimoA universal draft for all young men to serve their country for 18 months? Not many countries are like that.
Im against the draft, but I don't think that makes a country a military state.
I think Turkey is doing well, I mean, its not the only country to have influence from the army, it could be worse eg musharraf-era pakistan.
And Musharraf was democratically elected.
19 Apr 09
Originally posted by AThousandYoungWhat about Switzerland - where every former national military service person (theoretically everybody) must keep a gun in their home? Or what about Israel with its draft and everybody-is-a-reservist thing? Military states?
What makes it a military state?