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  1. Subscriber FreakyKBH
    Acquired Taste...
    10 Jan '17 01:55
    For what seems like ever, the press--- and most notably the unionized and left-leaning press--- has been bemoaning the departure of jobs from America, with a specific denunciation of greedy capitalistic pigs.
    The 'fat cats' have no concern for the American workers; their only loyalty is to their company's profits... and their own golden parachutes and/or bail-outs for when times is tough.
    Within the very recent past, the CEO's of the major car dealers had come hat-in-hand to beg for a bail-out, lest the country lose such a valuable resource as what their companies offered.
    Of course, they arrived on private jets, which made the issue just a tad muddy: you need what from whom?

    The first in line to decry the avarice of the car world's 1%-er's was left leaning media.

    Fast forward a few years to the first president ever with a bully pulpit agenda and the balls to use it, the first president ever who says: you are not outsourcing these jobs without serious repercussions, and ¤wow!¤ listen to the media sing his praises!
    Especially the lefties such as NPR.

    Oh, wait.
    No, no: I'm wrong.
    They're not doing any such thing.
    Instead these low-life, scum-sucking losers are doing literally everything they can to NOW find the sliver lining in US companies moving operations out of the country.
    How vibrant these satellite operations are making the companies, which in turn is making it better for the workers here!
    How dare that bull come charging into this China shop!
    Who does he think he is!?!
    The American working force needs this outsourcing in order for these poor, paycheck-to-paycheck corporations to maintain their vibrancy, their vigor, and thus their ability to keep American workers on the job!

    What a crock of crap!
  2. Subscriber Suzianne
    Misfit Queen
    10 Jan '17 02:13 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by FreakyKBH
    For what seems like ever, the press--- and most notably the unionized and left-leaning press--- has been bemoaning the departure of jobs from America, with a specific denunciation of greedy capitalistic pigs.
    The 'fat cats' have no concern for the American workers; their only loyalty is to their company's profits... and their own golden parachutes and/or ...[text shortened]... eir vigor, and thus their ability to keep American workers on the job!

    What a crock of crap!
    For years after Reagan, union-busting was the norm on the right, plainly showing the right's agenda to de-humanize the middle class in the name of their 'right' to make obscene profits at the expense of their own workers. No longer do blood-sucking corporations believe in Henry Ford's idea that if he made the price of his product low enough and paid his workers well enough, that he could create his own built-in market for his product. Now all that matters to CEOs is how much money they can make off the backs of their workers to inflate their own golden parachutes, because who needs to spend their whole lives working? Oh, yeah, the middle class, that's who.

    Let's be perfectly clear here. Trump doesn't give one good god-damn for the plight of his supporters, he just needed their vote. All he cares about is the 'plight' of the 1%, as evidenced by his cabinet picks, and will be more than evident to everyone in his Supreme Court picks.
  3. Subscriber mchill
    Infinitorum
    10 Jan '17 02:39 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by Suzianne
    For years after Reagan, union-busting was the norm on the right, plainly showing the right's agenda to de-humanize the middle class in the name of their 'right' to make obscene profits at the expense of their own workers. No longer do blood-sucking corporations believe in Henry Ford's idea that if he made the price of his product low enough and paid his wo ...[text shortened]... nced by his cabinet picks, and will be more than evident to everyone in his Supreme Court picks.
    Let's be perfectly clear here. Trump doesn't give one good god-damn for the plight of his supporters, he just needed their vote. All he cares about is the 'plight' of the 1%, as evidenced by his cabinet picks, and will be more than evident to everyone in his Supreme Court picks.

    Yes, this is true. The working class folks who turned Republican and voted for him however are going to have to learn this the hard way, again. Just as they had to learn it when they voted for Reagan, Bush 41, and GW Bush.
  4. Subscriber no1marauder
    It's Nice to Be Nice
    10 Jan '17 02:48
    Originally posted by FreakyKBH
    For what seems like ever, the press--- and most notably the unionized and left-leaning press--- has been bemoaning the departure of jobs from America, with a specific denunciation of greedy capitalistic pigs.
    The 'fat cats' have no concern for the American workers; their only loyalty is to their company's profits... and their own golden parachutes and/or ...[text shortened]... eir vigor, and thus their ability to keep American workers on the job!

    What a crock of crap!
    This supposed belief of Trump is at variance with his past practices:

    Today, Donald J. Trump Collection shirts — as well as eye­glasses, perfume, cuff links and suits — are made in Bangladesh, China, Honduras and other low-wage countries.

    Trump’s daughter Ivanka, a vice president at his company and frequent campaign surrogate, markets hundreds of additional products under her own line of jewelry and clothing. Many are made in China.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-decries-outsourced-labor-yet-he-didnt-seek-made-in-america-in-2004-deal/2016/03/13/4d65a43c-e63a-11e5-b0fd-073d5930a7b7_story.html?utm_term=.036dc8ee02d6

    Here's a 2005 post from the President of Trump University entitled "Outsourcing Creates Jobs in the Long Run":

    We hear terrible things about outsourcing jobs--how sending work outside of our companies is contributing to the demise of American businesses. But in this instance I have to take the unpopular stance that it is not always a terrible thing.
    I understand that outsourcing means that employees lose jobs. Because work is often outsourced to other countries, it means Americans lose jobs. In other cases, nonunion employees get the work. Losing jobs is never a good thing, but we have to look at the bigger picture.
    Last year, Nobel Prize-winning economist Dr. Lawrence R. Klein, the founder of Wharton Econometric Forecasting Associates, co-authored a study that showed how global outsourcing actually creates more jobs and increases wages, at least for IT workers. The study found that outsourcing helped companies be more competitive and more productive. That means they make more money, which means they funnel more into the economy, thereby, creating more jobs.
    I know that doesn't make it any easier for people whose jobs have been outsourced overseas, but if a company's only means of survival is by farming jobs outside its walls, then sometimes it's a necessary step. The other option might be to close its doors for good.

    https://web.archive.org/web/20060507011645/http://donaldtrump.trumpuniversity.com/default.asp?item=98255

    If Trump is truly serious all he has to do is endorse Bernie Sanders' proposed legislation that:

    would prevent companies sending jobs overseas from receiving federal contracts, tax breaks, or other financial assistance; claw back federal subsidies that outsourcing companies received over the past decade; impose a tax of either 35 percent of the company's profits or an amount that equals the money saved by moving jobs overseas, whichever is higher; and imposing stiff tariffs on executive bonuses like golden parachutes, stock options, and other gratuities.

    http://www.commondreams.org/news/2016/11/28/cornering-trump-jobs-sanders-announces-anti-outsourcing-bill
  5. Subscriber FreakyKBH
    Acquired Taste...
    10 Jan '17 10:27
    Originally posted by FreakyKBH
    For what seems like ever, the press--- and most notably the unionized and left-leaning press--- has been bemoaning the departure of jobs from America, with a specific denunciation of greedy capitalistic pigs.
    The 'fat cats' have no concern for the American workers; their only loyalty is to their company's profits... and their own golden parachutes and/or ...[text shortened]... eir vigor, and thus their ability to keep American workers on the job!

    What a crock of crap!
    I like how each of the responses fails to address the point.
    When no one was doing anything about jobs leaving the US, the left decried the right, as though the right were a bunch of selfish, profit-only pricks who cared only for themselves.
    Someone from the right stands up to keep the jobs here?

    Hand wringing, harrumping, hand waving, reversal of perspective... from the left.
    In a three-syllable word: hypocrites.

    Hey!
    Kinda like those on here who insist they're being objective but they can't see the forest for the trees.
  6. 10 Jan '17 13:41
    Originally posted by FreakyKBH
    I like how each of the responses fails to address the point.
    When no one was doing anything about jobs leaving the US, the left decried the right, as though the right were a bunch of selfish, profit-only pricks who cared only for themselves.
    Someone from the right stands up to keep the jobs here?

    Hand wringing, harrumping, hand waving, reversal of per ...[text shortened]... ke those on here who insist they're being objective but they can't see the forest for the trees.
    But...but....but Trump is an orange man.

    No one likes orange men.
  7. Subscriber FreakyKBH
    Acquired Taste...
    10 Jan '17 14:26
    Originally posted by whodey
    But...but....but Trump is an orange man.

    No one likes orange men.
    Exactly.

    We can't defend our position, so we will attack the opposition.
    What a bunch of pussies.
  8. 10 Jan '17 15:19
    Originally posted by FreakyKBH
    Exactly.

    We can't defend our position, so we will attack the opposition.
    What a bunch of pussies.
    At least they are not orange pussies.

    Color makes all the difference don't ya know.
  9. Subscriber no1marauder
    It's Nice to Be Nice
    11 Jan '17 00:08
    Originally posted by FreakyKBH
    I like how each of the responses fails to address the point.
    When no one was doing anything about jobs leaving the US, the left decried the right, as though the right were a bunch of selfish, profit-only pricks who cared only for themselves.
    Someone from the right stands up to keep the jobs here?

    Hand wringing, harrumping, hand waving, reversal of per ...[text shortened]... ke those on here who insist they're being objective but they can't see the forest for the trees.
    That you have fallen so gullibly for Trump's newly found outrage over job outsourcing doesn't mean everyone else is so naïve.

    We'll see if he endorses Bernie's legislation and/or does anything other than offer corporations sweetheart deals with taxpayer money to not move jobs overseas.
  10. Subscriber FreakyKBH
    Acquired Taste...
    11 Jan '17 00:40
    Originally posted by no1marauder
    That you have fallen so gullibly for Trump's newly found outrage over job outsourcing doesn't mean everyone else is so naïve.

    We'll see if he endorses Bernie's legislation and/or does anything other than offer corporations sweetheart deals with taxpayer money to not move jobs overseas.
    Are you seriously this dense?
    Even after literally EVERYONE on this forum has told you (and others) repeatedly how their "support" for Trump is highly conditional and nearly universally more a vote against the other crooks than it is for him, you persist in insisting every one who didn't vote for HRC somehow has their head up Trump's ass in worship.
    Saying something over and over doesn't make it true, it just makes you a parrot.

    Trump--- inexplicably, beyond rational explanation--- was simply the best choice, given the criminal cronyism of the alternatives.

    The point you are so inelegantly missing is that he is the first president to actually force the issue and, thus far, meet with a small measure of success.
    Businesses are re-thinking their models.
    And, more to the point, slant sources such as NPR and other leftist sloganeers are scurrying to cover the damages.

    For years, they've been morally posturing assuming the high ground related to jobs leaving the US for cheaper labor elsewhere.
    Tide changes, multi-nationals are now hesitating or in some cases completely altering their plans and actions?
    Here comes NPR to the rescue to explain why outsourcing is actually good for the American worker.

    Forget the politics of the candidate, child.
    Look at the politics of the media.
  11. Standard member lemon lime
    blah blah blah
    11 Jan '17 01:55 / 3 edits
    Originally posted by FreakyKBH
    Are you seriously this dense?
    Even after literally EVERYONE on this forum has told you (and others) repeatedly how their "support" for Trump is highly conditional and nearly universally more a vote against the other crooks than it is for him, you persist in insisting every one who didn't vote for HRC somehow has their head up Trump's ass in worship.
    Sayi ...[text shortened]... ican worker.

    Forget the politics of the candidate, child.
    Look at the politics of the media.
    you persist in insisting every one who didn't vote for HRC somehow has their head up Trump's...

    Butt... but... but No1 didn't vote for HRC. He told me so his self.