29 Jan 12
"US Defence Secretary Leon Panetta has said he is "very concerned" about a Pakistani doctor arrested for providing intelligence for the US raid that killed Osama Bin Laden last year. Dr Shikal Afridi is accused of running a CIA-run programme in Abbottabad where Bin Laden was killed. A Pakistan panel says he should be tried for treason."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-16772112
Specific proposals please:
How should the the U.S. respond and what should it do if Dr Afridi is tried for treason?
29 Jan 12
Originally posted by FMFWhy not bomb some villages in Pakistan or Afganistan at random, killing some dozens of innocents, just to show the point?
"US Defence Secretary Leon Panetta has said he is "very concerned" about a Pakistani doctor arrested for providing intelligence for the US raid that killed Osama Bin Laden last year. Dr Shikal Afridi is accused of running a CIA-run programme in Abbottabad where Bin Laden was killed. A Pakistan panel says he should be tried for treason."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/n ...[text shortened]...
How should the the U.S. respond and what should it do if Dr Afridi is tried for treason?
"What point?", you ask? Don't know, but they will think of that afterward.
They've done it before, and they think it works, so who not one time more?
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29 Jan 12
Originally posted by FabianFnasHate to say but usually we have an embassy that helicopters can use to fly away. Have we reached that point yet?
Why not bomb some villages in Pakistan or Afganistan at random, killing some dozens of innocents, just to show the point?
"What point?", you ask? Don't know, but they will think of that afterward.
They've done it before, and they think it works, so who not one time more?
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Originally posted by FMFI haven't yet read the article, but technically speaking, did he commit treason?
"US Defence Secretary Leon Panetta has said he is "very concerned" about a Pakistani doctor arrested for providing intelligence for the US raid that killed Osama Bin Laden last year. Dr Shikal Afridi is accused of running a CIA-run programme in Abbottabad where Bin Laden was killed. A Pakistan panel says he should be tried for treason."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/n ...[text shortened]...
How should the the U.S. respond and what should it do if Dr Afridi is tried for treason?
You can have all the best ideals and reasons for committing treason, in fact many usually do. But it's still treason under the law. Ask the Rosenbergs. Well, too late, but you know what I mean.
That's not to say that I'm not immensely grateful for what the Doctor did, and I would support giving him asylum if he had come to the embassy. But if he was arrested and charged under the laws of the country, there's really not much we can do.
29 Jan 12
Originally posted by KunsooHow is divulging the whereabouts of Bin Laden treason against the government of Pakistan? Unless.....
I haven't yet read the article, but technically speaking, did he commit treason?
You can have all the best ideals and reasons for committing treason, in fact many usually do. But it's still treason under the law. Ask the Rosenbergs. Well, too late, but you know what I mean.
That's not to say that I'm not immensely grateful for what the Doctor did, ...[text shortened]... was arrested and charged under the laws of the country, there's really not much we can do.
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29 Jan 12
Originally posted by USArmyParatrooperWell, it resulted in military action on Pakistani soil, without Pakistani consent.
How is divulging the whereabouts of Bin Laden treason against the government of Pakistan? Unless.....
And your unless might have merit. What if he came into information from the Pakistani government?
Again, a bad thing to do? Probably not. But it may be, technically speaking, treason even under our laws.
29 Jan 12
Originally posted by KunsooI'm sorry, are you a rosenberg supporter?
I haven't yet read the article, but technically speaking, did he commit treason?
You can have all the best ideals and reasons for committing treason, in fact many usually do. But it's still treason under the law. Ask the Rosenbergs. Well, too late, but you know what I mean.
That's not to say that I'm not immensely grateful for what the Doctor did, ...[text shortened]... was arrested and charged under the laws of the country, there's really not much we can do.
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Originally posted by dryhumpDepends on what you mean. I think Julius was probably guilty, but also view the trial as a rigged sham. Moreover, I haven't seen any evidence that the secrets he may have turned over assisted the Soviet nuclear weapons program in any significant way. I don't believe it warranted the death penalty, and people who have done much worse have received only prison sentences. Ironically, it was his belief system which got him (and his wife killed). If he had done it for money, he would probably have served life in jail.
I'm sorry, are you a rosenberg supporter?
And I think Ethel was probably innocent.
This is based on extensive reading on the subject.
30 Jan 12
Originally posted by FMFThere's nothing the US can do to force anything, but I would like to see the US use peaceful diplomatic measures to get him released, pardoned or at least for some leniency.
"US Defence Secretary Leon Panetta has said he is "very concerned" about a Pakistani doctor arrested for providing intelligence for the US raid that killed Osama Bin Laden last year. Dr Shikal Afridi is accused of running a CIA-run programme in Abbottabad where Bin Laden was killed. A Pakistan panel says he should be tried for treason."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/n ...[text shortened]...
How should the the U.S. respond and what should it do if Dr Afridi is tried for treason?
If, in fact, he is "guilty" as charged, then as far as I'm concerned, he's a moral hero. Though obviously there's nothing we can do to force the Pakistanis from doing what they please.
30 Jan 12
Originally posted by KunsooIt's a matter of relative evil. Julius was almost certainly guilty and I have no problem with him being fried. However, that he was the only person ever executed for treason is somewhat incongruous, since what he did may not have been any worse than what some others (Aldrich Ames, anyone?) also did.
Depends on what you mean. I think Julius was probably guilty, but also view the trial as a rigged sham. Moreover, I haven't seen any evidence that the secrets he may have turned over assisted the Soviet nuclear weapons program in any significant way. I don't believe it warranted the death penalty, and people who have done much worse have received only pris ...[text shortened]... And I think Ethel was probably innocent.
This is based on extensive reading on the subject.
The execution of Ethel was outrageous, though somewhat more understandable in the context of the era.
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Originally posted by FMFIf you ask me he is a dead man.
"US Defence Secretary Leon Panetta has said he is "very concerned" about a Pakistani doctor arrested for providing intelligence for the US raid that killed Osama Bin Laden last year. Dr Shikal Afridi is accused of running a CIA-run programme in Abbottabad where Bin Laden was killed. A Pakistan panel says he should be tried for treason."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/n ...[text shortened]...
How should the the U.S. respond and what should it do if Dr Afridi is tried for treason?
Then again, perhaps they will use him as a bargaining bait for things they want.
If you ask me, Pakistan is just another Iran now with a nuke.
30 Jan 12
Originally posted by KunsooThe Rosenbergs were not, and could not, have been executed for treason.
I haven't yet read the article, but technically speaking, did he commit treason?
You can have all the best ideals and reasons for committing treason, in fact many usually do. But it's still treason under the law. Ask the Rosenbergs. Well, too late, but you know what I mean.
That's not to say that I'm not immensely grateful for what the Doctor did, ...[text shortened]... was arrested and charged under the laws of the country, there's really not much we can do.
30 Jan 12
Originally posted by sh76Should Bradley Manning also be characterized as a hero for leaking info to wiki-leaks?
There's nothing the US can do to force anything, but I would like to see the US use peaceful diplomatic measures to get him released, pardoned or at least for some leniency.
If, in fact, he is "guilty" as charged, then as far as I'm concerned, he's a moral hero. Though obviously there's nothing we can do to force the Pakistanis from doing what they please.