@capacrapa said"Civilians having the right to bear arms is in place to stop governments from becoming dictatorships. "
The US National Guard is part of the government.
Civilians having the right to bear arms is in place to stop governments from becoming dictatorships.
Many governments promised to protect the people...Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot etc etc
It is in place to give them the illusion a bunch of rednecks 0 training can stop governments to turn tyrannical with their ar-15's.
It is in place to let the rest of us know which one is an idiot just by asking them if they actually think they can defend themselves from government tyranny with their guns.
It is in place so that gun manufacturers and the NRA make millions off your dumb behinds
"Many governments promised to protect the people...Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot etc etc"
Yeah! If only the jews had guns. They would have stopped Hitler
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@kevcvs57 saidNato used the airforce and tanks and everything else but they couldn't beat a few guys on camels in the middle east.
Does it say that in the constitution, that you can bear arms to defend your self from your own government, I get that’s what a lot of people think that they have them for but not sure the constitution says that, but I’m no expert.
If it’s true I guess folk had better start buying some serious air defence systems and tanks.
Vietnam Nam is another example of a superior force (USA) ...losing to the people who didn't have much more than a gun in each hand.
As per the constitution I think it says to defend against tyranny...(monarchy?)
@zahlanzi said"Say nothing" is never the answer, especially when it comes to gun violence. Gay marriage debates raged for decades; it's legal now.
"If it can be pointed out that the 2nd Amendment doesn't say what gun advocates claim"
Good luck with that.
It has been pointed out. Again and again. Do you think you can come up with a magic argument that people haven't thought of for 100 years?
That's why i said it is religious. What argument would you use to convince a christian that God is not real?
Forget th ...[text shortened]... learned in the past years is that Average Joe and his like are reasonable people open to change 😀
If you want more murdered children in schools, saying "speaking out is waste of time" will ensure that happens.
@capacrapa saidThere you go again, doing that far-right-wingnut thing, adding words to the Constitution.
The US National Guard is part of the government.
Civilians having the right to bear arms is in place to stop governments from becoming dictatorships.
Many governments promised to protect the people...Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot etc etc
Get a dictionary and try to follow along.
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@kevcvs57 saidHmmmmm, sounds familiar. 😏
Well we have a history of a territorial army for home defence they train during the week and sometimes at the weekend but they don’t own weapons and they do not take weapons home with them.
What training for militia purposes are required of gun owners in the US, that’s a rhetorical question BTW.
Doesn’t the US have a national guard, the clues in the name I think.
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@capacrapa saidI don't want to live in a society where children die so that imbeciles like you can feel good about going out in a blaze of glory in the off-off-chance where their government tries to do some tyranny.
@Zahlanzi
Your logic is don't bother defending yourself because you will probably lose?
You must be one weak SOB 😭
Where the whims of a few selfish bastards endangers the lives of others.
This is my point really. Americans need to stop trying to convince the selfish bastards, the garbage human beings who endanger kids just to skip waiting a few bloody days when buying a gun.
Change happens when a critical mass of people just leaves the asholes behind and enact change despite them, not with them.
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@capacrapa saidLol Americans are not Afghan’s for the most part they life in cities and suburban areas rather than mountains. If a US government was determined ( for some unimaginable reason ) to annihilate its own population rifles and guns would not prevent that.
Nato used the airforce and tanks and everything else but they couldn't beat a few guys on camels in the middle east.
Vietnam Nam is another example of a superior force (USA) ...losing to the people who didn't have much more than a gun in each hand.
As per the constitution I think it says to defend against tyranny...(monarchy?)
The guns give a definite edge to minority terrorist groups though, ironically its a well armed politically motivated insurrectionist group that is most likely to bring about a reactionary oppressive government in order to maintain control and civil order.
@zahlanzi saidmass shootings are relatively new thing, guns have been around for way before the culture took this turn. thank a democrat for this culture change, men in womens restrooms ect.
I don't want to live in a society where children die so that imbeciles like you can feel good about going out in a blaze of glory in the off-off-chance where their government tries to do some tyranny.
Where the whims of a few selfish bastards endangers the lives of others.
This is my point really. Americans need to stop trying to convince the selfish bastards, the ga ...[text shortened]... critical mass of people just leaves the asholes behind and enact change despite them, not with them.
only a fool thinks guns can be banned,
@mott-the-hoople said"thank a democrat for this culture change, men in womens restrooms ect."
mass shootings are relatively new thing, guns have been around for way before the culture took this turn. thank a democrat for this culture change, men in womens restrooms ect.
only a fool thinks guns can be banned,
yeah men in women's restrooms caused sandy hook and the rest of the mass shootings
You vile imbecile.
"only a fool thinks guns can be banned,"
Yeh, it's impossible. Except for the times gun control was implemented in civilized countries, it's impossible.
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@shavixmir said........Anyone notice it says, ''.....WELL REGULATED.....''
“A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.”
I hear a lot of Americans talk about their right to buy and wear and use guns. So, I looked up the text of the amendment. And lo! And behold!
The way I read it, you see, is that it says that the people, in a well regulated ...[text shortened]... reckons the gun lobby has scope creeped the hell out of that amendment and you’ve all been suckered.
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@great-big-stees saidWhile the shootings that day certainly were "unnecessary, unwarranted, and inexcusable," this was a time of great unrest on college campuses across the nation, precipitated by Nixon's "Cambodian Incursion". These shootings did lead to immediate change in the way the National Guard handled student protests.
How ‘bout this…4 dead in Ohio…National Guard?🤔
Thanks for the instant "perspective change". Were I of college age in those days, I would have been protesting along-side other students.
I think since then, the usage of National Guard in times of local natural disasters was crucial and life-saving. I just think that this kind of local militia composed of citizens was more along the lines of what our founding fathers imagined militias to be, certainly not Billy Bob and Cletus with their AR-15s and their bellies full on beer.
Your note of caution is correct, and we should be very very careful moving forward when we deploy citizens against other citizens.
@vistesd2 saidVistesd2, I see all this stuff you've copied from here and there, but what is your comment? Are you saying something? If you were on a debate stage at Yale, do you expect this to be acceptable by the judges? They would look at each other and say, what the hell? Would you be reading it, or have it memorized??
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To provide some Constitutional textual context for what the Framers apparently thought constituted a Militia—
Article I, Section 8: Powers of Congress
To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;
[i]To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the [b]Mi ...[text shortened]... due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.”