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  1. Standard membersh76
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    22 Aug '18 22:521 edit
    Originally posted by @shavixmir
    Well, let’s try lots of different versions of capitalism... see how it pans out?

    Oh yeah. We did.
    And this is how it pans out.
    Yes, it "pans out" in the logarithmic expansion of economy, technology, medicine, life expectancy, standard of living and essentially ever other metric imaginable to an extent that could only have been dreamed about at any time in the history of civilization.
  2. Standard membershavixmir
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    22 Aug '18 22:55
    Originally posted by @sh76
    Yes, it "pans out" in the logarithmic expansion of economy, technology, medicine, life expectancy, standard of living and essentially ever other metric imaginable to an extent that could only have been dreamed about at any time in the history of civilization.
    Not really though, eh.

    I dare you to give 3 examples, and ar least 2 of them will be proven to have nothing to do with capitalist doctrine.
  3. Standard membershavixmir
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    22 Aug '18 22:59
    Originally posted by @sh76
    Yes, it "pans out" in the logarithmic expansion of economy, technology, medicine, life expectancy, standard of living and essentially ever other metric imaginable to an extent that could only have been dreamed about at any time in the history of civilization.
    For example:

    Metric: France (Napoleonic period).

    Medicine: anti-biotics (greatest ever medical achievement: Scotland; post ww2).

    Life expectancy: me’s pretty sure that Cuba in the 90’s had a lower birth death rate than capitalist US.

    Standard of living: in Europe we’re more productive, work less hours and have more vacation than the US... so more capitalism did not benefit the majority.
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    22 Aug '18 23:55
    Originally posted by @sh76 to Shavixmir
    Yes, it "pans out" in the logarithmic expansion of economy, technology, medicine, life expectancy, standard of living and essentially ever other metric imaginable to an extent that could only have been dreamed about at any time in the history of civilization.
    Is a scientist or engineer necessarily more innovative or productive when working for a
    corporation aiming to maximize profit than for a government or a public university?

    Much important technology has been developed in the absence of any obvious profit motive.
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    23 Aug '18 00:01
    Originally posted by @shavixmir
    For example:

    Metric: France (Napoleonic period).

    Medicine: anti-biotics (greatest ever medical achievement: Scotland; post ww2).

    Life expectancy: me’s pretty sure that Cuba in the 90’s had a lower birth death rate than capitalist US.

    Standard of living: in Europe we’re more productive, work less hours and have more vacation than the US... so more capitalism did not benefit the majority.
    Are you of the opinion that capitalism is not an essential element of the European economy(ies)?
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    23 Aug '18 00:081 edit
    Originally posted by @duchess64
    Is a scientist or engineer necessarily more innovative or productive when working for a
    corporation aiming to maximize profit than for a government or a public university?

    Much important technology has been developed in the absence of any obvious profit motive.
    The number of technological advances that has come from public/private cooperative work is mind boggling and challenges those who argue that either economic model has ever been put to the test in pure form and proved itself superior.

    There is just too much intermingling of public and private interests involved, to allow a scientific treatment of the real world as if it were a properly designed randomized triple blind experiment.
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