I find the entire US justice system to be in contempt of the US constitution, specifically 6A:
"In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, etc."
Georgia appeals court will review decision on Trump case DA, bringing another delay
https://www.npr.org/2024/05/08/1249920941/fani-wade-disqualification-appeal-trump-georgia-case
Federal judge indefinitely postpones Trump classified documents trial
https://www.cnn.com/2024/05/07/politics/judge-postpones-trump-classified-documents-trial/index.html
Supreme Court decision delays Trump trial
https://www.npr.org/2024/03/02/1235577375/supreme-court-decision-delays-trump-trial
My Modest Proposal is as follows:
1) All presently serving justices in every court in the land will be impeached EN MASSE, fined and imprisoned for 6 months.
2) A new group of justices should be appointed with STRICT instructions that unless they follow the Sixth Amendment and produce SPEEDY TRIALS, they will also be impeached, fined, and imprisoned for 6 months
I think I am being very, VERY reasonable, but is remotely possible that someone might disagree. 😀
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@spruce112358 saidNot that I 'disagree', would take a bit of research, but should we not look at Everything that is going on with regard to contempt of the Constitution?
I find the entire US justice system to be in contempt of the US constitution, specifically 6A:
"In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, etc."
[b]Georgia appeals court will review decision on Trump case DA, bringing ...[text shortened]...
I think I am being very, VERY reasonable, but is remotely possible that someone might disagree. 😀
Here is a primer of quite a bit of contempt. You can retort with whataboutisms, but as to such comparisons, I am here first. Aboutism of Biden.
Let SHouse throw Trump in later.
So, what say you as to the overall contempt?
https://edworkforce.house.gov/news/documentsingle.aspx?DocumentID=409571
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@AverageJoe1 saidEverything everywhere all at once.
Not that I 'disagree', would take a bit of research, but should we not look at Everything that is going on with regard to contempt of the Constitution?
Here is a primer of quite a bit of contempt. You can retort with whataboutisms, but as to such comparisons, I am here first. Aboutism of Biden.
Let SHouse throw Trump in later.
So, what say you as to the overall contempt?
https://edworkforce.house.gov/news/documentsingle.aspx?DocumentID=409571
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@spruce112358 saidSpeedy trials happened with other defendants, e.g. chesebro and that other lawyer (Powell??).
I find the entire US justice system to be in contempt of the US constitution, specifically 6A:
"In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, etc."
[b]Georgia appeals court will review decision on Trump case DA, bringing ...[text shortened]...
I think I am being very, VERY reasonable, but is remotely possible that someone might disagree. 😀
The delay for trump is because of trump. He is delaying it. Since he is the accused, it doesn't seem like the 6th amendment right applies here?
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@wildgrass saidCorrect. There are tactical moves on both sides. Trial law is a game in itself. I know one criminal (truly guilty, like an OJ situation) who was acquitted because his smart lawyer was able to get a speedy trial when the prosecutor was not really prepared. Defense lawyer won the game.
Speedy trials happened with other defendants, e.g. chesebro and that other lawyer (Powell??).
The delay for trump is because of trump. He is delaying it. Since he is the accused, it doesn't seem like the 6th amendment right applies here?
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@AverageJoe1 saidOk. Just beware of the BS political argument that prosecutors are responsible for all this stuff falling into court around the time of the campaign. I'm sure Jack Smith would have loved to finish these cases a long time ago.
Correct. There are tactical moves on both sides. Trial law is a game in itself. I know one criminal (truly guilty, like an OJ situation) who was acquitted because his smart lawyer was able to get a speedy trial when the prosecutor was not really prepared. Defense lawyer won the game.
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@wildgrass saidI dont study this daily stuff like you and Sonhouse do, got other things to run, so I defer to you.
Ok. Just beware of the BS political argument that prosecutors are responsible for all this stuff falling into court around the time of the campaign. I'm sure Jack Smith would have loved to finish these cases a long time ago.
And yes, timing is everything, esp when you are trying to disrupt an election.
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@wildgrass saidWell, I don’t think that’s the correct reading of 6A.
Speedy trials happened with other defendants, e.g. chesebro and that other lawyer (Powell??).
The delay for trump is because of trump. He is delaying it. Since he is the accused, it doesn't seem like the 6th amendment right applies here?
A right to a speedy trial means the government can’t drag its feet, not that the defendant can slow the proceedings.
Maybe someone WISHES government would drag its feet. But I would claim they have no right to ask or expect that.
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@AverageJoe1 saidBut they have stated that they would have preferred to finish the case a year ago. The delays were all on Trump's team, or conservative judges delaying rulings and trial dates.
I dont study this daily stuff like you and Sonhouse do, got other things to run, so I defer to you.
And yes, timing is everything, esp when you are trying to disrupt an election.
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@wildgrass saidI'm sure I would agree, I myself am not about second guessing slick lawyers
But they have stated that they would have preferred to finish the case a year ago. The delays were all on Trump's team, or conservative judges delaying rulings and trial dates.
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@spruce112358 saidNo, no right to slow the proceedings. I agree.
Well, I don’t think that’s the correct reading of 6A.
A right to a speedy trial means the government can’t drag its feet, not that the defendant can slow the proceedings.
Maybe someone WISHES government would drag its feet. But I would claim they have no right to ask or expect that.
Kind of like if there was a right to own an expensive car, but you choose instead to drive a 2004 Honda Civic.
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@AverageJoe1 saidYour prior statement then about prosecutors disrupting an election is garbage.
I'm sure I would agree, I myself am not about second guessing slick lawyers
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@wildgrass saidThe way I've heard it stated is that the Bill of Rights lists things the government may not do. So government:
No, no right to slow the proceedings. I agree.
Kind of like if there was a right to own an expensive car, but you choose instead to drive a 2004 Honda Civic.
- May not interfere with free speech
- May not make laws regarding establishment of religion
- May not interfere with the press
And 6A:
- May not conduct anything but a speedy and impartial trial
Suppose the defendant said, "Hey, you know? I have a right to an impartial trial, but I'm gonna give that up. Gimme a set of jurors who are partial - TO ME!"
Doesn't really work. 🙂
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@spruce112358 saidI see your point. There appear to be lots of rules applying to a duty on the part of judges to keep the wheels of justice moving at a reasonable pace. But that's more to do with public trust, accountability, etc. rather than the individual rights to a speedy trial.
The way I've heard it stated is that the Bill of Rights lists things the government may not do. So government:
- May not interfere with free speech
- May not make laws regarding establishment of religion
- May not interfere with the press
And 6A:
- May not conduct anything but a speedy and impartial trial
Suppose the defendant said, "Hey, you know? I have a right ...[text shortened]... t I'm gonna give that up. Gimme a set of jurors who are partial - TO ME!"
Doesn't really work. 🙂
Certainly, indefinite delays are not ok.