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  1. Zugzwang
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    14 Jan '21 11:43
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jan/13/us-police-use-of-force-protests-black-lives-matter-far-right

    "US police three times as likely to use force against leftwing protesters, data finds.
    Law enforcement responses to more than 13,000 protests show a
    clear disparity in responses, new statistics show."

    "Police in the United States are three times more likely to use force against
    leftwing protesters than rightwing protesters, according to new data
    from a nonprofit that monitors political violence around the world.

    In the past 10 months, US law enforcement agencies have used teargas,
    pepper spray, rubber bullets, and beatings at a much higher percentage
    at Black Lives Matter demonstrations than at pro-Trump or other rightwing protests.
    Law enforcement officers were also more likely to use force against leftwing
    demonstrators, whether the protests remained peaceful or not."

    "Police used teargas, rubber bullets, beatings with batons, and other
    force against demonstrators at 511 leftwing protests and 33 rightwing
    protests since April, according to updated data made public this week."

    "The disparity in police response only grew when comparing peaceful
    leftwing versus rightwing protests. Looking at the subset of protests
    in which demonstrators did not engage in any violence, vandalism,
    or looting, law enforcement officers were about 3.5 times more
    likely to use force against leftwing protests than rightwing protests,
    with about 1.8% of peaceful leftwing protests and only half a percent
    of peaceful rightwing protests met with teargas, rubber bullets or
    other force from law enforcement.

    “Police are not just engaging more because [leftwing protesters] are
    more violent. They’re engaging more even with peaceful protesters,”
    Dr Roudabeh Kishi, ACLED’s director of research and innovation,
    told the Guardian. “That’s the clear trend.""

    American police seem overwhelmingly right-wing, and that political
    bias evidently influences how they operate.
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    14 Jan '21 11:49
    @duchess64 said
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jan/13/us-police-use-of-force-protests-black-lives-matter-far-right

    "US police three times as likely to use force against leftwing protesters, data finds.
    Law enforcement responses to more than 13,000 protests show a
    clear disparity in responses, new statistics show."

    "Police in the United States are three times more likely ...[text shortened]... lice seem overwhelmingly right-wing, and that political
    bias evidently influences how they operate.
    Are you sure it's not just racial, i.e. more likely to be more violent against blacks versus whites?
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    @suzianne said
    Are you sure it's not just racial, i.e. more likely to be more violent against blacks versus whites?
    It seems hard to do a realistic 'controlled experiment' to test this hypothesis.

    Let's compare how the same police department would respond to
    1) Left-wing all-white march in support of Black Lives Matter
    2) Right-wing all-black march in support of President Trump

    A non-white male friend of mine was invited by two middle-class white women to
    join them in a demonstration in the USA. They did not understand why he was wary.

    He: Won't the police be there?
    They: Of course, but you have nothing to worry about.
    He: Oh, really? Why not?
    They: We have been in many demonstrations. The police never have bothered us.
    The police always have been courteous and respectful toward us.
    He: You are 'respectable' white women. You just don't understand.
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    @duchess64 said
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jan/13/us-police-use-of-force-protests-black-lives-matter-far-right

    "US police three times as likely to use force against leftwing protesters, data finds.
    Law enforcement responses to more than 13,000 protests show a
    clear disparity in responses, new statistics show."

    "Police in the United States are three times more likely ...[text shortened]... lice seem overwhelmingly right-wing, and that political
    bias evidently influences how they operate.
    I guess the fact that the left wing was protesting at 5 times the rate and how that might disproportionately contribute to increased tensions between police and leftwing protestors was conveniently excluded from the analysis...

    Notice 7% of Leftwing protest harmed people or resulted in property damage...that about 651 instances that had incurred damage according to the article.
    Further notice that statistic for the Rightwing group is not clearly presented. But if we take the percentage of peaceful rightwing protests as reported at 96%( to what extent can you be peacefully protesting and damaging property) to be a lower bound that would result in 92 incidences of damage.
    Now: Categorically they fail to mention what the extent of damage incurred was for each group, but I don't recall the right wing protestors looting, or burning buildings. Feel free the to enlighten me if I'm incorrect about this. What they need to present is a total damages cost for each group. Then we can look at proportionalities that may have contributed to greater use of force.

    Lets assume that property damage is property damage. Meaning the magnitude of said damage was similar in each instance ( this is an assumption which highly favors leftwing protest in my opinion ). The Gaurdians say "3" time more likely to use force but they leave out the leftwing protests have done at least 7 times the damage. Why would they not mention the extent of the damages I wonder...

    The funny thing about all this is police use Mathematics given to them by scientist to maximize effectiveness. Then, the same leftist that complain about not following "science" complain about how unfair the outcome of the methodology is! Its hurts my head....
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    14 Jan '21 16:321 edit
    @duchess64 said
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jan/13/us-police-use-of-force-protests-black-lives-matter-far-right

    "US police three times as likely to use force against leftwing protesters, data finds.
    Law enforcement responses to more than 13,000 protests show a
    clear disparity in responses, new statistics show."

    "Police in the United States are three times more likely ...[text shortened]... lice seem overwhelmingly right-wing, and that political
    bias evidently influences how they operate.
    ................DOG BITES MAILMAN, NO NEWS
    MAILMAN BITES DOG, BIG NEWS
    Most cops are pretty conservative, it' the nature of the beast.
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    @suzianne said
    Are you sure it's not just racial, i.e. more likely to be more violent against blacks versus whites?
    There was a study, years ago, which came to the same conclusion. It also concluded that the average police officer is more right-wing than the average citizen.
    The uniform, structure and authority appealing to certain types more than others.
    And that it was an issue which needed to be addressed.
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    14 Jan '21 16:56
    @joe-shmo said
    I guess the fact that the left wing was protesting at 5 times the rate and how that might disproportionately contribute to increased tensions between police and leftwing protestors was conveniently excluded from the analysis...

    Notice 7% of Leftwing protest harmed people or resulted in property damage...that about 651 instances that had incurred damage according to the ar ...[text shortened]... lowing "science" complain about how unfair the outcome of the methodology is! Its hurts my head....
    Note that, with his usual fanatical bias, Joe_Shmo apparently begins with the cocksure
    conclusion that it must be impossible for the police to discriminate against leftists
    and then strives to rationalize it.

    The Capitol was really stormed by Antifa (President Trump said so), not MAGA, right?
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    14 Jan '21 16:58
    @jimm619 said
    ................DOG BITES MAILMAN, NO NEWS
    MAILMAN BITES DOG, BIG NEWS
    Most cops are pretty conservative, it' the nature of the beast.
    Police tend to have authoritarian personalities and their job consists of
    defending the status quo, which privileges 'the haves' over 'the have nots'.
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    @duchess64 said
    Note that, with his usual fanatical bias, Joe_Shmo apparently begins with the cocksure
    conclusion that it must be impossible for the police to discriminate against leftists
    and then strives to rationalize it.

    The Capitol was really stormed by Antifa (President Trump said so), not MAGA, right?
    No...I'm just pointing out ( what any rational thinker would realize ) key information oddly missing from the article that if presented would likely tell a different story about potential causes of the observed "discrepancy" of 3.3% other than use of force leftwing bias.
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    14 Jan '21 17:56
    Estimates of the damage to private and public property as a result of the George Floyd "protests" 1 to 2 BILLION dollars.

    Gee wiz...I can't imagine why these poor activist had more rubber bullets shot at them!
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    14 Jan '21 18:361 edit
    @suzianne said
    Are you sure it's not just racial, i.e. more likely to be more violent against blacks versus whites?
    No. That is exactly the trap USAlian wokelings are falling into.

    To be fair, in the USA, racism certainly is a part of it. But make no mistake: this is a trend all over the world, even in countries where your national hang-ups do not apply. Power, everywhere - and especially petty power such as is vested in a beat-pounding police person - always kicks down and sucks up.
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    Thank God for that!
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    @joe-shmo said
    Estimates of the damage to private and public property as a result of the George Floyd "protests" 1 to 2 BILLION dollars.

    Gee wiz...I can't imagine why these poor activist had more rubber bullets shot at them!
    Funny that those "estimates" don't happen to say who actually did this damage. Peaceful protests generally don't result in property damage until/unless they are provoked by inordinate/excessive suppression and/or bad actors looking to blunt the protest by blaming protestors for the actions of those actors.
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    @shavixmir said
    There was a study, years ago, which came to the same conclusion. It also concluded that the average police officer is more right-wing than the average citizen.
    The uniform, structure and authority appealing to certain types more than others.
    And that it was an issue which needed to be addressed.
    Look at the Capitol riot. How many of those mostly white protestors got beaten down? Answer: not even a fraction as many as had they been black.
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    @suzianne said
    Funny that those "estimates" don't happen to say who actually did this damage. Peaceful protests generally don't result in property damage until/unless they are provoked by inordinate/excessive suppression and/or bad actors looking to blunt the protest by blaming protestors for the actions of those actors.
    This statement is so franking idiotic I've deleted my reply.
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