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11 Apr 10
11 Apr 10
Originally posted by AThousandYoungBecause it's a democracy that has been threatened with extinction at every moment since its inception by its sometimes brutal neighbor.
Why?
Because the people of Taiwan don't want to live under Chinese sovereignty and shouldn't be forced to do so against their will.
Why not?
11 Apr 10
Originally posted by sh76re: the rationale: Ditto, allowing for different proper nouns, longitude and latitude, and whatnot, for why the U.S. 'protected' murdering dictatorships and helped them to repress millions of people all around the world for most of the 20thC.
Because it's a democracy that has been threatened with extinction at every moment since its inception by its sometimes brutal neighbor.
Because the people of Taiwan don't want to live under Chinese sovereignty and shouldn't be forced to do so against their will.
Why not?
Er... no. Wait a sec..
11 Apr 10
Originally posted by sh76Why not?
Because it's a democracy that has been threatened with extinction at every moment since its inception by its sometimes brutal neighbor.
Because the people of Taiwan don't want to live under Chinese sovereignty and shouldn't be forced to do so against their will.
Why not?
Because it's military adventurism abroad supporting one side of a civil war on the other side of the planet.
11 Apr 10
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Originally posted by FMFoh...my....God....you....just ....can't.... help..... it...... can you?
re: the rationale: Ditto, allowing for different proper nouns, longitude and latitude, and whatnot, for why the U.S. 'protected' murdering dictatorships and helped them to repress millions of people all around the world for most of the 20thC.
Er... no. Wait a sec..
11 Apr 10
Originally posted by AThousandYoungHow is it military adventurism?
Why not?
Because it's military adventurism abroad supporting one side of a civil war on the other side of the planet.
What has the US done militarily to protect Taiwan? Implying to China that if they invade Taiwan they'll have to deal with us too is not exactly military adventurism.
11 Apr 10
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Originally posted by sh76GWB: We will do anything it takes to protect Taiwan.
How is it military adventurism?
What has the US done militarily to protect Taiwan? Implying to China that if they invade Taiwan they'll have to deal with us too is not exactly military adventurism.
Then there's the Formosa Resolution of 1955...
These are not implications.
11 Apr 10
Originally posted by Sam The ShamWell presumably you just can't help what you support or condone or are not apologetic for.
oh...my....God....you....just ....can't.... help..... it...... can you?
sh76's comment was fair enough. But without the context of the abject and chronic hypocrisy involved, it tends to float a little freely without heft.
11 Apr 10
Originally posted by AThousandYoungOkay; I'll rephrase.
GWB: We will do anything it takes to protect Taiwan.
Then there's the Formosa Resolution of 1955...
These are not implications.
Stating to China that if they invade Taiwan they'll have to deal with us too is not exactly military adventurism.
11 Apr 10
Originally posted by AThousandYoungThe US backed the Kuomintang side in the Chinese civil war, agreed by the 1970's that the PRC had won, but then held out for pretty steep conditions for the final reconciliation.
Why?
It requires a lot of US effort and determination to maintain this position. Something will eventually have to give.
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Quote from JAMES C. P. CHANG, Harvard University:
"First, the U.S. acknowledges that there is one China; however, how to define and realize that is best left to the two sides of the Strait on a mutually acceptable basis.
Second, Washington encourages the cross-strait dialogue but will remain even-handed and will not apply pressure or mediation to either side. Because Taiwan is a
democracy, any arrangements between the two sides will have to be acceptable to the people of Taiwan.
Third, the U.S. insists that the Taiwan issue be resolved peacefully. The U.S. would
regard hostile action against Taiwan as a threat to the peace and security of the Western Pacific and a as matter of grave concern.
The fourth element of U.S. policy towards Taiwan is that, in accordance with the Taiwan Relations Act, the U.S. will provide defense articles and services necessary for Taiwan to maintain a sufficient ability to defend itself.
The fifth element regards Taiwan’s international space: in recognition of Taiwan’s importance role in international issues, the U.S. will support Taiwan’s membership where statehood is not a prerequisite, and will support opportunities for Taiwan’s voice to be heard in organizations where its membership is not possible."