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  1. Subscriber AThousandYoung
    Poor Filipov :,(
    02 May '10 22:17
    Japan, South Korea, Germany, Iraq, Afghanistan, Vietnam, etc.

    How successful have these governments been? How many were overthrown once the US pulled out?
  2. Donation rwingett
    Ming the Merciless
    02 May '10 23:21
    Originally posted by AThousandYoung
    Japan, South Korea, Germany, Iraq, Afghanistan, Vietnam, etc.

    How successful have these governments been? How many were overthrown once the US pulled out?
    With the first three we may never know, as the US has yet to pull out.
  3. 03 May '10 02:56
    first three or first five?
  4. 03 May '10 02:57
    P.S. to ATY: your list looks a bit sparse.

    France is not on it, for one thing.
  5. 03 May '10 03:06
    Originally posted by zeeblebot
    P.S. to ATY: your list looks a bit sparse.

    France is not on it, for one thing.
    Italy?
  6. Subscriber AThousandYoung
    Poor Filipov :,(
    03 May '10 04:13
    Originally posted by rwingett
    With the first three we may never know, as the US has yet to pull out.
    Maybe that's the key. Those three are doing extremely well.
  7. Subscriber FMF
    a.k.a. John W Booth
    03 May '10 04:15
    What about the Philippines?
  8. Subscriber kmax87
    You've got Kevin
    03 May '10 04:30 / 1 edit
    ...therefore.........Q.E.D.......for everyone in the world to do very well, requires the
    US of A to take on a long term interest and establish an abiding presence in every location and corner of the Globe. once this is accomplished, then everything will finally be peachy!..........and peace will reign for a thousand years...and...(cue inspirational music)...


    ps. should this ever occur, could Hitler ever take any credit for the end result, given that had it not been for his IIIrd Reich ambitions and WW2, the US might never have woken up its industrial capacity the way the second world war allowed it to, and thus it may never have been given the responsibility of orchestrating and implementing the Marshall plan and being the defender of world wide capitalism and corporatism. If the mantle of that responsibility had not fallen on her shoulders, it is unlikely that she would now, sit astride the globe as a colossus, in full view, as the world's reigning hegemonic super power. The US have a lot to thank Mr Hitler for, that's for sure!!!
  9. Subscriber FMF
    a.k.a. John W Booth
    03 May '10 04:33
    Originally posted by zeeblebot
    P.S. to ATY: your list looks a bit sparse.
    Didn't the U.S. put Marines into several Latin American countries over thelast 150 years in an effort to exert some guiding handery to their incompatible economies?

    A lot of that was ugly. But they are missing from the OP selection. Oh.
  10. Subscriber AThousandYoung
    Poor Filipov :,(
    03 May '10 05:27 / 1 edit
    The OP selection is simply meant to offer a few examples to stimulate discussion. Notice the etc.

    Please, continue to offer up your own examples.
  11. Subscriber FMF
    a.k.a. John W Booth
    03 May '10 08:33
    Originally posted by AThousandYoung
    How successful have these governments been? How many were overthrown once the US pulled out?
    Didn't democracy and rule of law sprout and flourish (relatively speaking) and brutal venal dictatorship decline only once the U.S. "pulled out" from South/Latin America (i.e. reduced its interference and its sponsorship of tyrannical proxies) ?
  12. Subscriber kmax87
    You've got Kevin
    03 May '10 11:21
    Originally posted by FMF
    Didn't democracy and rule of law sprout and flourish (relatively speaking) and brutal venal dictatorship decline only once the U.S. "pulled out" from South/Latin America (i.e. reduced its interference and its sponsorship of tyrannical proxies) ?
    Good lord man, next you'll be telling us that the US is the foremost sponsor of terror/ism the world over!
  13. 03 May '10 12:02
    Originally posted by AThousandYoung
    Maybe that's the key. Those three are doing extremely well.
    Japan's done amazingly well in 1945, but that doesn't mean we can regard it as evidence of the success of the kind of neo-liberal capitalism that has been in vogue in the United States during the past thirties years. The people in charge of the Occupation of Japan worked mainly under the influence of the New Deal and pursued redistributive and egalitarian policies. In 1945, Douglas MacArthur himself, in a burst of distinctly socialist-sounding rhetoric, called upon the Japanese government "to insure that those who till the soil of Japan shall have a more equal opportunity to enjoy the fruits of their labour" and to "destroy the economic bondage which has enslaved the Japanese farmers through centuries of feudal oppression."

    It's impossible to overestimate the importance of the land reform programme masterminded by agriculture economist Wolf Ladejinsky (an anti-Communist, pro-New Deal Democrat) and socialist Japanese minister of agriculture Hiro Wada. This turned a potentially volatile rural proletariat consisting of landless tenant farmers into small landowners with a stake in a stable society. This peaceful transformation, which avoided discontent and disruption by compensating the original landowners, was central to the stability of postwar Japan. Due to the full-scale conflict then raging between the nationalists and the Communist, Ladejinsky was unfortunately unable to implement a similar programme in mainland China. Had he been successful, China's postwar history might have been much gentler.
  14. 03 May '10 16:18
    Originally posted by FMF
    Didn't the U.S. put Marines into several Latin American countries over thelast 150 years in an effort to exert some guiding handery to their incompatible economies?

    A lot of that was ugly. But they are missing from the OP selection. Oh.
    define several.
  15. Subscriber FMF
    a.k.a. John W Booth
    03 May '10 16:19 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by zeeblebot
    define several.
    Look it up. It's not any kind of secret. You could do The Wikipedia cut and paste. Why haven't you? Interesting.