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  1. 15 May '13 16:53
    >Noted professor and sociologist Dr. Anne Hendershott claims IRS may have targeted her with a 2010 audit
    IRS demanded to know which groups paid her and “what their politics were”
    Hendershott believes her articles critical of President Barack Obama’s policies and George Soros’ funding of liberal Catholic groups may have spawned the IRS audit
    Audit was emotionally and financially expensive and scared the professor into silence


    http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/05/15/exclusive-prominent-catholic-prof-claims-irs-audited-her-after-speaking-out-against-obama-and-demanded-to-know-who-was-paying-her/


    Chicago style politics, nice.
  2. 15 May '13 18:34
    Z-Street, a pro-Israeli group, alleges that in 2010 the IRS engaged in viewpoint discrimination when they applied for 501(c)(3) tax exempt status.

    http://news.yahoo.com/video/pro-israeli-groups-targeted-irs-021720914.html

    http://www.zstreet.org/
  3. 15 May '13 19:03
    Dr. Anne Hendershott, a Catholic professor, claims the IRS audited her after she spoke against President Obama.

    http://www.catholic.org/politics/story.php?id=50966
  4. Standard member bill718
    Enigma
    15 May '13 19:51
    Originally posted by Eladar
    >Noted professor and sociologist Dr. Anne Hendershott claims IRS may have targeted her with a 2010 audit
    IRS demanded to know which groups paid her and “what their politics were”
    Hendershott believes her articles critical of President Barack Obama’s policies and George Soros’ funding of liberal Catholic groups may have spawned the IRS audit
    Audit was emoti ...[text shortened]... ng-out-against-obama-and-demanded-to-know-who-was-paying-her/


    Chicago style politics, nice.
    The evidence for her claim is murky...at best. I know it's fun to play with these "big bad Government" stories, but it's far from clear why these sort of things are going on. Perhaps the recent cuts to the IRS's funding may be the cause.
  5. 15 May '13 20:17
    Originally posted by bill718
    The evidence for her claim is murky...at best. I know it's fun to play with these "big bad Government" stories, but it's far from clear why these sort of things are going on. Perhaps the recent cuts to the IRS's funding may be the cause.
    Wait a minute, do you think Hendershott's allegation is merely a "big bad Government" story or do you think the whole IRS targeting controversy is a "big bad Government" story?
  6. Standard member sasquatch672
    Don't Like It Leave
    15 May '13 20:40
    Originally posted by bill718
    The evidence for her claim is murky...at best. I know it's fun to play with these "big bad Government" stories, but it's far from clear why these sort of things are going on. Perhaps the recent cuts to the IRS's funding may be the cause.
    "It's fun to play"? Really? The biggest constitutional crisis since Watergate, a brutal assault on our rights and the Bill of Rights, a systemic usage of government to intimidate, silence, and disrupt the activities of political opponents, and you think it's "fun to play"?

    You need to sit down and think about this. It's clear you're either in denial because of your political leanings or you simply don't yet grasp the seriousness of this. People are going to go to jail.
  7. Standard member bill718
    Enigma
    15 May '13 23:36
    Originally posted by sasquatch672
    "It's fun to play"? Really? The biggest constitutional crisis since Watergate, a brutal assault on our rights and the Bill of Rights, a systemic usage of government to intimidate, silence, and disrupt the activities of political opponents, and you think it's "fun to play"?

    You need to sit down and think about this. It's clear you're either in de ...[text shortened]... or you simply don't yet grasp the seriousness of this. People are going to go to jail.
    This "Constitutional Crisis" does not appear to have "silenced" anyone, since it's all over the news and internet. As far as intimidating and disrupting anyone, you'll have a hard time proving that one as well. The IRS conducts audits and collects federal taxes. These folks have nothing to fear...IF they have nothing to hide! So let's take the paranoia level down a few notches.
  8. 16 May '13 00:33
    Originally posted by sasquatch672
    "It's fun to play"? Really? The biggest constitutional crisis since Watergate, a brutal assault on our rights and the Bill of Rights, a systemic usage of government to intimidate, silence, and disrupt the activities of political opponents, and you think it's "fun to play"?

    You need to sit down and think about this. It's clear you're either in de ...[text shortened]... or you simply don't yet grasp the seriousness of this. People are going to go to jail.
    One of the articles of impeachment toward Richard Nixon was that he intended to use the IRS against enemies. The claim was made by a number of Bill Clinton opponents that they got more than usual attention from the IRS.

    The real problem with this is not that high level politicians can use the power of tax collectors, and will do it. That has been known, and written about for centuries. The problem is an institution like the personal income tax, enabled by the 16th amendment, which creates the IRS and its almost certain abuse.
  9. 16 May '13 00:42
    Originally posted by bill718
    This "Constitutional Crisis" does not appear to have "silenced" anyone, since it's all over the news and internet. As far as intimidating and disrupting anyone, you'll have a hard time proving that one as well. The IRS conducts audits and collects federal taxes. These folks have nothing to fear...IF they have nothing to hide! So let's take the paranoia level down a few notches.
    "These folks have nothing to fear...IF they have nothing to hide! "

    That is pure tauroscat! Ordinary people don't have the resources of Warren Buffet to fight the IRS for years, even decades. One audit can ruin most any family, even if they've been careful to obey tax laws, which are so complex that experts can't keep up.

    The most prestigious CPA firm in the nation, Arthur Anderson, gave Enron advice which led to their destruction. I quit my ambition to become a CPA when it became obvious that tax law changes so violently that advice given one year, may become criminal a year later, leaving both client and adviser in the lurch.

    It need not silence people permanently, if the attention kept people silent during the election cycle long enough to change election results, that's way to much silencing.
  10. 16 May '13 16:13
    One of FOX19's two sources went on say that these four IRS workers claim "they simply did what their bosses ordered." FOX19 reported on Tuesday that the report by the Office of Inspector General states that senior IRS officials knew agents were targeting Tea Party groups as early as 2011.

    In fact, according to that report, Lois Lerner, who heads the IRS division that oversees tax exempt organizations, was told on June 29, 2011 that groups with 'Tea Party', 'Patriot' or '9/12 Project' in their names were being flagged for additional, and often burdensome, scrutiny.


    http://www.fox19.com/story/22265631/four-cincy-irs-workers-not-two-allegedly-connected-to-scandal

    “In one case, the IRS withheld approval of an application for tax exempt status for Coalition for Life of Iowa. In a phone call to Coalition for Life of Iowa leaders on June 6, 2009, the IRS agent ‘Ms. Richards’ told the group to send a letter to the IRS with the entire board’s signatures stating that, under perjury of the law, they do not picket/protest or organize groups to picket or protest outside of Planned Parenthood,” the Thomas More Society announced today. “Once the IRS received this letter, their application would be approved.”

    http://washingtonexaminer.com/report-irs-denied-tax-exempt-status-to-pro-lifers-on-behalf-of-planned-parenthood/article/2529750
  11. 17 May '13 17:43
    Report: IRS Deliberately Chose Not to Fess Up to Scandal Before Election


    http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/report-irs-deliberately-chose-not-fess-scandal-election_724711.html
  12. 21 May '13 15:25 / 1 edit
    Internal Revenue Service officials not only wanted a wide variety of information from the Albuquerque Tea Party's application for non-profit status, it also wanted to know what contacts it had with people from other political organizations too.

    That included an 83-year-old great-grandmother who was once held in a World War II internment camp, New Mexico Watchdog has discovered


    http://washingtonexaminer.com/irs-went-after-83-year-old-tea-party-granny/article/2530131

    The Leftist War Machine knows no bounds.

    They go after old and young alike:

    The IRS requested:

    “Copies of applications for internships and summer programs; to include: lists of those selected for internships and students in 2008.
    – In regards to such internships, please provide information regarding where the interns physically worked and how the placement was arranged.
    – After completing internships and courses, where were the students and interns employed?”


    http://dailycaller.com/2013/05/20/irs-targeted-conservative-college-interns/