3) That probably won't work. My dad is always watching me and I continue to get in trouble. I do get grounded, but that doesn't stop me. And I think I'll take death over the cameras in the shower.
4) What if they accidently commit a crime? Like someone accidently hits a bicyclist? Or someone accidently takes an extra $20 at the grocery store? I think your population might die out very quickly.
*"1) Money is based on hardness of job, you work a hard job you earn more money, this means no millionares or overpaid sport stars."
Hardness is a judgement call. Those who decide on the hardness of a job will inevitably judge their own jobs to be really, really hard.
There is also the fact that there will be tremendous demand for things that aren't hard to provide, and people will want to pay for these things...and therefore there will be unhappiness caused by restrictions on how people can spend their money, or there will be people who get paid more than the hardness of their job determines they are worth.
*"2) Run by government. There is no busnesses, the goverment runs everthing."
This is what led to the collapse of the Soviet Union. It doesn't work. The government will be corrupt and inefficient.
*"3) Hidden cameras everywhere, in homes, showers, workplaces, everywhere, all being recorded, people are controlled by fear."
This is not a utopia. People would be miserable and angry. They'd rebel in every way possible. This combined with the government controlled pay scale would keep people from working very hard.
*"4) Capital punishment for even the tinyist thing. The innocent wont die by mistake due to the fact that there will always be cameras of what they did."
Those with government influence would escape the death penalty. Besides, mistakes are sometimes made. People accidentally shoplift when they forget to pay for something, or accidentally run red lights. This is too harsh.
*"5) No industry, everything is hand made. Which means loads of jobs, no pollution."
Lower polution, maybe, but you can't get rid of it all. This would be extremely inefficient. Combine this with the lack of a work ethic your nation creates, your country would collapse economically.
*"6) Economic power souces, no pollution, wont run out."
I don't understand what you mean by economic, but if you mean water, wind and air, like telerion suggested, then as far as I know we don't have the technology to do this effectively.
*"7) Parents own there children (abortions allowed), plus the goverment may limit how many children they have."
Sounds like a Utopia for pedophiles and those who like to beat up kids.
*"8) You do what you want as long as you arnt hurting anyone (homersexuals allowed), however if you go against the goverment you are killed."
What if the government decides they don't want homosexuals? Is hurting kids considered hurting people? How did you decide abortions aren't hurting people? I am pro-abortion (at least early on), but I respect the right of opponents of abortion to influence the government. Their perspective makes some sense.
*"9) Freedom of religion."
This would be used as a way of bypassing other laws.
*"10) Propogandar would be used to make the populance think they were the lucky ones, they would be shown films of people less unfortunate than them (actors). They would always be satisfied with what they had. "
People are not that stupid. I think you meant "people less fortunate" by the way.
*"11) Welfare state."
I thought people were going to get paid based on the hardness of their jobs?
This "utopia" is a cruel, corrupt, and inefficient place with all the worst attributes of the Soviet system.
Originally posted by Remora91Yes but would you commit a crime knowing that it would mean death?
3) That probably won't work. My dad is always watching me and I continue to get in trouble. I do get grounded, but that doesn't stop me. And I think I'll take death over the cameras in the shower.
4) What if they accidently commit a crime? Like someone accidently hits a bicyclist? Or someone accidently takes an extra $20 at the grocery store? I think your population might die out very quickly.
Cameras in the showers are a bit harsh.
Accedental crimes would be pardond.
Originally posted by AThousandYoungi]Originally posted by AThousandYoung[/i]
*"1) Money is based on hardness of job, you work a hard job you earn more money, this means no millionares or overpaid sport stars."
Hardness is a judgement call. Those who decide on the hardness of a job will inevitably judge their own jobs to be really, really hard.
There is also the fact that there will be tremendous demand for things that ...[text shortened]... " is a cruel, corrupt, and inefficient place with all the worst attributes of the Soviet system.
*"1) Money is based on hardness of job, you work a hard job you earn more money, this means no millionares or overpaid sport stars."
Hardness is a judgement call. Those who decide on the hardness of a job will inevitably judge their own jobs to be really, really hard.
The goverment judges the hardness.
There is also the fact that there will be tremendous demand for things that aren't hard to provide, and people will want to pay for these things...and therefore there will be unhappiness caused by restrictions on how people can spend their money, or there will be people who get paid more than the hardness of their job determines they are worth.
I dont understand.
*"2) Run by government. There is no busnesses, the goverment runs everthing."
This is what led to the collapse of the Soviet Union. It doesn't work. The government will be corrupt and inefficient.
I would be head of the goverment. It would not be corrupt.
*"3) Hidden cameras everywhere, in homes, showers, workplaces, everywhere, all being recorded, people are controlled by fear."
This is not a utopia. People would be miserable and angry. They'd rebel in every way possible. This combined with the government controlled pay scale would keep people from working very hard.
They would love the goverment due to popogandar. They would be told that humanity depended on how hard they worked.
*"4) Capital punishment for even the tinyist thing. The innocent wont die by mistake due to the fact that there will always be cameras of what they did."
Those with government influence would escape the death penalty. Besides, mistakes are sometimes made. People accidentally shoplift when they forget to pay for something, or accidentally run red lights. This is too harsh.
Crimes=death. Unless it can be argued it was accidental.
*"5) No industry, everything is hand made. Which means loads of jobs, no pollution."
Lower polution, maybe, but you can't get rid of it all. This would be extremely inefficient. Combine this with the lack of a work ethic your nation creates, your country would collapse economically.
I dont understand economics, I would tell someone else to deal with it.
*"6) Economic power souces, no pollution, wont run out."
I don't understand what you mean by economic, but if you mean water, wind and air, like telerion suggested, then as far as I know we don't have the technology to do this effectively.
We would make the technology.
*"7) Parents own there children (abortions allowed), plus the goverment may limit how many children they have."
Sounds like a Utopia for pedophiles and those who like to beat up kids.
If you give life to someone you own them.
*"8) You do what you want as long as you arnt hurting anyone (homersexuals allowed), however if you go against the goverment you are killed."
What if the government decides they don't want homosexuals? Is hurting kids considered hurting people? How did you decide abortions aren't hurting people? I am pro-abortion (at least early on), but I respect the right of opponents of abortion to influence the government. Their perspective makes some sense.
Why wouldant they want homersexuals? You cant hurt your kids, you just own them. I say abortions are OK because I said so.
*"9) Freedom of religion."
This would be used as a way of bypassing other laws.
If they tryd to do that they would be killed.
*"10) Propogandar would be used to make the populance think they were the lucky ones, they would be shown films of people less unfortunate than them (actors). They would always be satisfied with what they had. "
People are not that stupid. I think you meant "people less fortunate" by the way.
Its not a matter of stupidness, its all they would know.
*"11) Welfare state."
I thought people were going to get paid based on the hardness of their jobs?
They are, but health care etc is free, like in England.
This "utopia" is a cruel, corrupt, and inefficient place with all the worst attributes of the Soviet system.
Its only cruel if you break the law, it would not be corrupt, corrupt people are killed.
*"Yes but would you commit a crime knowing that it would mean death?"
Probably not. Soviet Russia and hardcore Arabic countries with harsh laws have little crime, I think.
*"Accedental crimes would be pardond."
The problem is that you might not know if a crime was accidental or not, even with cameras, so innocent people would die.
*"The goverment judges the hardness."
And the government will get paid more than it's worth. The rich people wouldn't be baseball players, they'd be government officials.
*"I dont understand."
For example: People who go to UC Berkeley like sweaters that are yellow and blue and have UC Berkeley logos on them more than they like red sweaters that say Stanford on them, or plain sweaters. Therefore, people who live in Berkeley will want the UCBerkeley sweaters more than other sweaters, and will be willing to shell out extra money for them. How do you deal with this situation? By deciding people aren't allowed to want UCB sweaters? All luxuries will work this way. I guess you could just deny people luxuries.
*"I would be head of the goverment. It would not be corrupt."
I don't believe you wouldn't be corrupt. Who would make that decision? You? LOL. Anyway, what about after you die?
"Crimes=death. Unless it can be argued it was accidental."
Someone has to make these decisions, and that lets those people cheat. If you assume you are in charge and are incorruptable, that makes it work for your lifetime, but what about when you get assassinated? It will happen, let me assure you. Besides, you being incorruptable is silly.
*"I dont understand economics, I would tell someone else to deal with it."
LOL. What if they told you what I just did? You can't expect economists to fix impossible problems you created.
*"We would make the technology."
What would you do until then?
*"If you give life to someone you own them." "Why wouldant they want homersexuals? You cant hurt your kids, you just own them. I say abortions are OK because I said so."
What does it mean to own something?
Why does anyone not want homosexuals? People claim they are sinful, or they just don't like them. Lots of people don't want homosexuals with a passion.
*"If they tryd to do that they would be killed."
I guess you're saying freedom of religious unless they break laws. This isn't complete freedom of religion, but I guess it's basically what the USA has.
*"Its not a matter of stupidness, its all they would know."
Your ignorant populace would be even less effective because of this. Besides, deep down, they'd realize they were being lied to, and even if they didn't, they'd simply see a miserable, crappy world and know that that's the best possible. That's not happiness.
Your utopia is not a utopia. It wouldn't work for long, and very few people would be happy there.
Brother Ed,
You impress me. But you should always realize that it is not the current "silly battle of the moment". It is your ability to draw happiness from just getting on with it.
That is the true key to happiness.
If you try to fix and figure all the wrongs in the world, you will go crazy from trying.
There is no real good way to happiness. Just getting by. Until tomorrow. Then the next day. And the next.
You get me?
No real good answer to the big questions. Just get by and try to be happy.
Originally posted by StarValleyWyI know what your saying, but i'm just putting forward exaggerated ideas of how I think society should be.
Brother Ed,
You impress me. But you should always realize that it is not the current "silly battle of the moment". It is your ability to draw happiness from just getting on with it.
That is the true key to happiness.
If you try to fix and figure all the wrongs in the world, you will go crazy from trying.
There is no real good way to happin ...[text shortened]... xt.
You get me?
No real good answer to the big questions. Just get by and try to be happy.
Originally posted by AThousandYoungOriginally posted by AThousandYoung
*"Yes but would you commit a crime knowing that it would mean death?"
Probably not. Soviet Russia and hardcore Arabic countries with harsh laws have little crime, I think.
*"Accedental crimes would be pardond."
The problem is that you might not know if a crime was accidental or not, even with cameras, so innocent people would die.
*" ...[text shortened]... r utopia is not a utopia. It wouldn't work for long, and very few people would be happy there.
*"Yes but would you commit a crime knowing that it would mean death?"
Probably not. Soviet Russia and hardcore Arabic countries with harsh laws have little crime, I think.
Plus in my society there would be no need for crime.
*"Accedental crimes would be pardond."
The problem is that you might not know if a crime was accidental or not, even with cameras, so innocent people would die.
Benefi of the dought.
*"The goverment judges the hardness."
And the government will get paid more than it's worth. The rich people wouldn't be baseball players, they'd be government officials.
With me in charge they wouldant, but when I die it would turn corrupt, unless I handpicked someone to take over.
*"I dont understand."
For example: People who go to UC Berkeley like sweaters that are yellow and blue and have UC Berkeley logos on them more than they like red sweaters that say Stanford on them, or plain sweaters. Therefore, people who live in Berkeley will want the UCBerkeley sweaters more than other sweaters, and will be willing to shell out extra money for them. How do you deal with this situation? By deciding people aren't allowed to want UCB sweaters? All luxuries will work this way. I guess you could just deny people luxuries.
Basecly it would work how it works now, but with fair share of profits. And the guy at the top would be rich but not a millionare.
*"I would be head of the goverment. It would not be corrupt."
I don't believe you wouldn't be corrupt. Who would make that decision? You? LOL. Anyway, what about after you die?
I would hand pick someone. Trust me I wouldant be corrupt.
"Crimes=death. Unless it can be argued it was accidental."
Someone has to make these decisions, and that lets those people cheat. If you assume you are in charge and are incorruptable, that makes it work for your lifetime, but what about when you get assassinated? It will happen, let me assure you. Besides, you being incorruptable is silly.
They wouldant be able to assaniate me because when they couldant oranise it, cameras everywhere. Plus I would have a eliete guard raised from birth to protect me.
*"I dont understand economics, I would tell someone else to deal with it."
LOL. What if they told you what I just did? You can't expect economists to fix impossible problems you created.
They can change whatever they want, but not much pollution.
*"We would make the technology."
What would you do until then?
Use fossil fules, but very sparingly.
*"If you give life to someone you own them." "Why wouldant they want homersexuals? You cant hurt your kids, you just own them. I say abortions are OK because I said so."
What does it mean to own something?
To say hat it does, to have control.
Why does anyone not want homosexuals? People claim they are sinful, or they just don't like them. Lots of people don't want homosexuals with a passion.
These people will die. Public execution, there crime will be "hostile thoughts"
*"If they tryd to do that they would be killed."
I guess you're saying freedom of religious unless they break laws. This isn't complete freedom of religion, but I guess it's basically what the USA has.
*"Its not a matter of stupidness, its all they would know."
Your ignorant populace would be even less effective because of this. Besides, deep down, they'd realize they were being lied to, and even if they didn't, they'd simply see a miserable, crappy world and know that that's the best possible. That's not happiness.
They will have there family, and there purpose. And entertainment.
Your utopia is not a utopia. It wouldn't work for long, and very few people would be happy there.
Originally posted by Brother EdwinI agree that we need to treat the world as a balloon. Stretch it until it pops.
I know what your saying, but i'm just putting forward exaggerated ideas of how I think society should be.
There are three modes of stretch.
Science.
Sociology.
And a much harder category that might be called "me". "My Mind", or "personal".
Of the three, Science if imperical. We can test.
Sociology is a myth because we gather an unknowable set of rules from six billion sources. It will change every year for all time.
Personal is a mystery. As well it should be. If I had only one prediction as to what we will be in ten thousand years... as Homo Sapiens... this would be it... "Homo Sapiens Adapted to All things and now inhabits the galaxy."
So how silly at this point of our infantile existence are we to even consider such things as "gayness" or "raceness" or "intelligence"?
None of these will even be in the formulation of the questions.
I think. Again. Excellent post. Keep up the good work.
Mike