The doom and gloom about many workers refusing to get vaccinated even if it meant losing their job appears to have been hyperbole:
"Ezekiel J. Emanuel, M.D., vice provost for global initiatives at the University of Pennsylvania and a former White House health policy adviser, pointed to the limited workforce fallout among the summer’s early movers as an acceptable loss for workforce-wide coverage.
“If you look at healthcare systems that have actually mandated this, they’ve retained over 99% of their workforce,” he said in support of the mandates during an August press event. “Their workforce does go along when the employer requires it.”
https://www.fiercehealthcare.com/hospitals/how-many-employees-have-hospitals-lost-to-vaccine-mandates-numbers-so-far
The survey of health care systems further down in the article seems to mainly support that assessment.
Is this statement true:
"The absolute certainty of losing a job is going to motivate a lot more people than the more abstract risk of dying of COVID-19. "
https://www.salon.com/2021/09/27/its-time-to-start-firing-unvaccinated-people-fans-are-overdue-for-a-lesson-in-consequences/
@no1marauder saidThe point however remains that the United States Government does not have the right to mandate anything of the sort to a corporation...it is even quite debatable whether or not the Federal Government can mandate it of their own workers.
The doom and gloom about many workers refusing to get vaccinated even if it meant losing their job appears to have been hyperbole:
"Ezekiel J. Emanuel, M.D., vice provost for global initiatives at the University of Pennsylvania and a former White House health policy adviser, pointed to the limited workforce fallout among the summer’s early movers as an acceptable loss ...[text shortened]... 21/09/27/its-time-to-start-firing-unvaccinated-people-fans-are-overdue-for-a-lesson-in-consequences/
Besides that it is complete hypocrisy in Government at the very highest levels.
The same Federal Government legislates that a renter cannot be evicted from the rental property if they lost their job due to having Covid.
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@no1marauder saidThe doom and gloom about many workers refusing to get vaccinated even if it meant losing their job appears to have been hyperbole:
The doom and gloom about many workers refusing to get vaccinated even if it meant losing their job appears to have been hyperbole:
"Ezekiel J. Emanuel, M.D., vice provost for global initiatives at the University of Pennsylvania and a former White House health policy adviser, pointed to the limited workforce fallout among the summer’s early movers as an acceptable loss ...[text shortened]... 21/09/27/its-time-to-start-firing-unvaccinated-people-fans-are-overdue-for-a-lesson-in-consequences/
I would hope so. I'm still trying to understand why people would put their health at risk under the flimsy banner of exercising their freedom. Perhaps this means the vaccination rate will continue to rise and this virus will soon be less of a threat. - Hope springs eternal!
@joc44 saidAll of the companies mentioned were either complying with State mandates or adopting their own policies.
The point however remains that the United States Government does not have the right to mandate anything of the sort to a corporation...it is even quite debatable whether or not the Federal Government can mandate it of their own workers.
Besides that it is complete hypocrisy in Government at the very highest levels.
The same Federal Government legislates that a renter cannot be evicted from the rental property if they lost their job due to having Covid.
But I've asked this question and not received a satisfactory answer:
IF OSHA can mandate standards on the use of ladders to protect the safety of workers engaged in and/or affected by interstate commerce, why can't it mandate measures to protect workers from a deadly pandemic?
@no1marauder saidA ladder is a workplace tool. Viruses are not.
All of the companies mentioned were either complying with State mandates or adopting their own policies.
But I've asked this question and not received a satisfactory answer:
IF OSHA can mandate standards on the use of ladders to protect the safety of workers engaged in and/or affected by interstate commerce, why can't it mandate measures to protect workers from a deadly pandemic?
The gene vaccines are treatments. You cannot mandate treatments. Are you going to mandate that I take high blood pressure medication so I have a lower risk of a stroke or heart attack? You cannot force drugs on people.
@metal-brain saidOSHA is not an agency merely tasked with regulating "workplace tools"; it is tasked with protecting the health and safety of workers engaged in or affected by interstate commerce.
A ladder is a workplace tool. Viruses are not.
The gene vaccines are treatments. You cannot mandate treatments. Are you going to mandate that I take high blood pressure medication so I have a lower risk of a stroke or heart attack? You cannot force drugs on people.
I'll ignore, once again, your crackpot idea that vaccines are "treatments".
@no1marauder saidThe gene vaccines do not stop the spread of the SARS2 virus. That makes them treatments.
OSHA is not an agency merely tasked with regulating "workplace tools"; it is tasked with protecting the health and safety of workers engaged in or affected by interstate commerce.
I'll ignore, once again, your crackpot idea that vaccines are "treatments".
"OSHA is not an agency merely tasked with regulating "workplace tools"; it is tasked with protecting the health and safety of workers engaged in or affected by interstate commerce."
Not from viruses. Not for treatments.
@metal-brain saidI'm not wasting any further time with your ridiculous ideas; no vaccine EVER completely stopped the spread of a disease.
The gene vaccines do not stop the spread of the SARS2 virus. That makes them treatments.
"OSHA is not an agency merely tasked with regulating "workplace tools"; it is tasked with protecting the health and safety of workers engaged in or affected by interstate commerce."
Not from viruses. Not for treatments.
This has been explained to you dozens of times.
@no1marauder saidThe gene vaccines do not stop the spread at all.
I'm not wasting any further time with your ridiculous ideas; no vaccine EVER completely stopped the spread of a disease.
This has been explained to you dozens of times.
This has been explained to you dozens of times.
The gene vaccines are treatments. They were not designed to stop the spread, and they don't AT ALL. Same as HCQ, another treatment.
@no1marauder saidAbstract risk is a good way to look at it. The same concept applies to climate change and other potential predicted events that have not happened but should be prepared for.
The doom and gloom about many workers refusing to get vaccinated even if it meant losing their job appears to have been hyperbole:
"Ezekiel J. Emanuel, M.D., vice provost for global initiatives at the University of Pennsylvania and a former White House health policy adviser, pointed to the limited workforce fallout among the summer’s early movers as an acceptable loss ...[text shortened]... 21/09/27/its-time-to-start-firing-unvaccinated-people-fans-are-overdue-for-a-lesson-in-consequences/
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@no1marauder said===Is this statement true:
The doom and gloom about many workers refusing to get vaccinated even if it meant losing their job appears to have been hyperbole:
"Ezekiel J. Emanuel, M.D., vice provost for global initiatives at the University of Pennsylvania and a former White House health policy adviser, pointed to the limited workforce fallout among the summer’s early movers as an acceptable loss ...[text shortened]... 21/09/27/its-time-to-start-firing-unvaccinated-people-fans-are-overdue-for-a-lesson-in-consequences/
"The absolute certainty of losing a job is going to motivate a lot more people than the more abstract risk of dying of COVID-19."===
It ought to be true. As Judge Learned Hand once said in United States v. Carroll Towing, burden must be measured against probability of harm times the extent of the risked harm. Granted, the harm of death is hard to quantify, but for young, healthy people, losing a job is very likely a greater harm than the harm of death times the risk of death from COVID.
@Metal-Brain
Oh, you mean those health care workers who refuse the shots and therefore can give covid to patients. THOSE health care workers?
Oh wait, I forgot. They have FREEDOM.
@sonhouse saidSo can the vaccinated.
@Metal-Brain
Oh, you mean those health care workers who refuse the shots and therefore can give covid to patients. THOSE health care workers?
Oh wait, I forgot. They have FREEDOM.
Are you stupid?
@no1marauder saidSo what are they going to do with a woman (a nurse) who is undergoing fertility treatment and afraid to get the newly invented vaccination for fear it will complicate and ruin her treatment? She has just been fired, she was on the news this morning. FOX. We won't see it on your stations.
The doom and gloom about many workers refusing to get vaccinated even if it meant losing their job appears to have been hyperbole:
"Ezekiel J. Emanuel, M.D., vice provost for global initiatives at the University of Pennsylvania and a former White House health policy adviser, pointed to the limited workforce fallout among the summer’s early movers as an acceptable loss ...[text shortened]... 21/09/27/its-time-to-start-firing-unvaccinated-people-fans-are-overdue-for-a-lesson-in-consequences/
Should you force her to take the vax?