@metal-brain saidVaccines must undergo rigorous testing and several stages of successful clinical trials before being approved by the FDA for use. Same in the UK. Same in Germany. Same in France, and so on. That's the incentive for vaccine developers and manufacturers to make reasonably safe vaccines.
" Everyone who gets a vaccine must understand that there is a small risk, accept that risk, and also accept any possible consequences."
But not the vaccine makers? They are largely immune from lawsuits, so they do not accept the risk in the form of liability. The taxpayer pays for it though government tax money funding the vaccine court. That removes the incentive for ...[text shortened]... e National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act of 1986 must be repealed. Criminals are making our vaccines.
Under these conditions, to also subject vaccine developers to the whims of juries every single time someone has an adverse reaction to a vaccine would undoubtedly become a disincentive to develop or manufacture vaccines. Polio would come back. Measles, too, and things far worse. The harm done to society were this to happen would be incalculably worse than the current regime.
As usual you allow for no shades of gray, and give no thought to balance or compromise. With you it's all or nothing, whereas in reality life is imperfect and risk always present.
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@soothfast said"Vaccines must undergo rigorous testing and several stages of successful clinical trials before being approved by the FDA for use."
Vaccines must undergo rigorous testing and several stages of successful clinical trials before being approved by the FDA for use. Same in the UK. Same in Germany. Same in France, and so on. That's the incentive for vaccine developers and manufacturers to make reasonably safe vaccines.
Under these conditions, to also subject vaccine developers to the whims of j ...[text shortened]... romise. With you it's all or nothing, whereas in reality life is imperfect and risk always present.
We know this to be BS as evidenced by the recent clotshot, there simply wasn't enough time for 'rigorous testing', yet it was given the tick by the FDA. The FDA and has lost credibility. Apart from that the FDA can be a mojor bottleneck for new medications. Here's the solution: Privatise the FDA, then people can choose to take FDA approved drugs or other more experimental tech like the seizure syrup. BTW this is something Trump loosened up, in that if you're likely terminal in the US you can take experimental un-FDA-approved drugs. A step in the right direction.
"With you it's all or nothing, whereas in reality life is imperfect and risk always present."
Couldn't agree more, and it's not for you to assess that risk, how much or how little others must take, if there is risk it must be voluntary. It wasn't so long ago. in the last 2 years actually, we'd see the argument rolled out by fauci, lyinghorsefaceNZprimeminister, and many others: "You got to take the juice to protect others"
A blatant lie. An undisputed lie.
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@soothfast saidBut not the vaccine makers? They are largely immune from lawsuits, so they do not accept the risk in the form of liability. The taxpayer pays for it though government tax money funding the vaccine court. So unsafe vaccines profits are subsidized.
Vaccines must undergo rigorous testing and several stages of successful clinical trials before being approved by the FDA for use. Same in the UK. Same in Germany. Same in France, and so on. That's the incentive for vaccine developers and manufacturers to make reasonably safe vaccines.
Under these conditions, to also subject vaccine developers to the whims of j ...[text shortened]... romise. With you it's all or nothing, whereas in reality life is imperfect and risk always present.
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@soothfast saidOnly if they are FDA approved and the covid vaccines were not FDA approved. They only had emergency use authorization. Do you know why? Because they were not rigorously tested. It was a rush job.
Vaccines must undergo rigorous testing and several stages of successful clinical trials before being approved by the FDA for use. Same in the UK. Same in Germany. Same in France, and so on. That's the incentive for vaccine developers and manufacturers to make reasonably safe vaccines.
Under these conditions, to also subject vaccine developers to the whims of j ...[text shortened]... romise. With you it's all or nothing, whereas in reality life is imperfect and risk always present.
https://avicennamedicalreview.com/pfizer-exec-admits-vaccines-were-not-tested-for-preventing-covid-transmission/
You also cannot sue a vaccine maker in the USA for a vaccine that does not have FDA approval. They have a license to kill people.
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@Soothfast
Why won't anyone debate him?
https://www.thewrap.com/joe-rogan-rfk-jr-debate-peter-hotez-elon-musk/
Lots of people talk a lot of crap just like you, but they cower once they are asked to debate RFK jr., even for $100,000.00
@metal-brain saidRichard Dawkins was asked why he doesn't debate creationists. His answer was that doing so is as silly as debating a flat-earther. Dawkins said giving creationists a debate with real scientists gives them status, as if this is really a topic to debate.
@Soothfast
Why won't anyone debate him?
https://www.thewrap.com/joe-rogan-rfk-jr-debate-peter-hotez-elon-musk/
Lots of people talk a lot of crap just like you, but they cower once they are asked to debate RFK jr., even for $100,000.00
I can't speak for Hotez but I can only guess he feels the same. The evidence for vaccines is so strong that it's a waste of time to debate people who have their minds already made up to ignore decades of exhaustive, peer-reviewed medical research.
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@vivify saidThat is because there is nothing to debate with a creationist. Their position is simple, "god created everything". Hardly complicated. Creationists do not have any evidence, just faith. RFK jr. has evidence.
Richard Dawkins was asked why he doesn't debate creationists. His answer was that doing so is as silly as debating a flat-earther. Dawkins said giving creationists a debate with real scientists gives them status, as if this is really a topic to debate.
I can't speak for Hotez but I can only guess he feels the same. The evidence for vaccines is so strong that it's a was ...[text shortened]... ho have their minds already made up to ignore decades of exhaustive, peer-reviewed medical research.
https://www.globalresearch.ca/if-vaccines-dont-cause-autism-then-how-do-you-explain-all-this-evidence/5822765
@metal-brain saidWhy isn't there any difference in the rates of autism in vaccinated vs. unvaccinated people?
That is because there is nothing to debate with a creationist. Their position is simple, "god created everything". Hardly complicated. Creationists do not have any evidence, just faith. RFK jr. has evidence.
https://www.globalresearch.ca/if-vaccines-dont-cause-autism-then-how-do-you-explain-all-this-evidence/5822765
@wildgrass saidThere is a difference.
Why isn't there any difference in the rates of autism in vaccinated vs. unvaccinated people?
https://childrenshealthdefense.org/child-health-topics/exposing-truth/fully-vaccinated-vs-unvaccinated/
https://howdovaccinescauseautism.org/
https://www.scribd.com/doc/220807175/214-Research-Papers-Supporting-the-Vaccine-Autism-Link
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@wildgrass saidYou had the evidence in the link you ignored from GR. It was from Steve Kirsch's substack.
Why isn't there any difference in the rates of autism in vaccinated vs. unvaccinated people?
https://stevekirsch.substack.com/p/if-vaccines-dont-cause-autism-then?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email
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@soothfast saidSTOP SPREADING MISINFORMATION!
Vaccines must undergo rigorous testing and several stages of successful clinical trials before being approved by the FDA for use. Same in the UK. Same in Germany. Same in France, and so on. That's the incentive for vaccine developers and manufacturers to make reasonably safe vaccines.
Under these conditions, to also subject vaccine developers to the whims of j ...[text shortened]... romise. With you it's all or nothing, whereas in reality life is imperfect and risk always present.
Vaccines are not required to be tested with a placebo control group. Do you know why? Because they say it is unethical.
https://www.ageofautism.com/2019/01/no-us-childhood-vaccines-were-placebo-tested-why-the-pharmagovernment-complex-is-getting-desperate-to-shut-down-the-web.html
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@wildgrass saidSTOP SPREADING MISINFORMATION!
Why isn't there any difference in the rates of autism in vaccinated vs. unvaccinated people?
Vaccines are not required to be tested with a placebo control group. Do you know why? Because they claim it is unethical.
https://www.ageofautism.com/2019/01/no-us-childhood-vaccines-were-placebo-tested-why-the-pharmagovernment-complex-is-getting-desperate-to-shut-down-the-web.html
I never took the Chicken Pox vaccine and I got it when I was a child and did just fine.
I don't think it is unethical to allow some children to get chicken pox. The UK does not even allow the chicken pox vaccine. Guess why?
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@metal-brain saidLots of countries don’t give chickenpox vaccine, sunshine.
STOP SPREADING MISINFORMATION!
Vaccines are not required to be tested with a placebo control group. Do you know why? Because they claim it is unethical.
https://www.ageofautism.com/2019/01/no-us-childhood-vaccines-were-placebo-tested-why-the-pharmagovernment-complex-is-getting-desperate-to-shut-down-the-web.html
I never took the Chicken Pox vaccine and I got it whe ...[text shortened]... low some children to get chicken pox. The UK does not even allow the chicken pox vaccine. Guess why?
It’s not a serious condition.
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@shavixmir saidExactly!
Lots of countries don’t give chickenpox vaccine, sunshine.
It’s not a serious condition.
So why no placebo controlled testing?