Originally posted by DrKFIndeed, but bcause FARC is Marxist/Leninist it is highly unlikely that the prior Venezuelan governements would have given FARC diddly squat!
"Swedish officials said the anti-tank rocket launchers had been sold to Venezuela in the 1980s."
Seems to me like there was plenty of time before Chavez took power for the weapons to reach FARC. I trust you haven't jumped to any conclusions based on personal animus...
Venezuelan President Hugo Chávez publicly rejected their (FARC's) classification as "terrorists" in January 2008, considering them to be "real armies", and called on the Colombian government and international community to recognize the guerrillas as a “belligerent force”, arguing that this would then oblige them to renounce kidnappings and terror acts in order to respect the Geneva Conventions.
Originally posted by generalissimoThe US funds the contras, Venezuela funds FARC. Does this come as a surprise to anybody?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/8171580.stm
[b]Sweden has asked Venezuela to explain how Swedish-made weapons ended up in the hands of Colombia's Farc rebels
is mr. chavez with terrotsits.[/b]
Originally posted by rwingettAs usual you bring up non-sequiturs. The Contras were not terrorists, but FARC is a dedicated terror organization. Kidnappings, arms trafficking, murder, land mine laying in civilian areas.
The US funds the contras, Venezuela funds FARC. Does this come as a surprise to anybody?
The Contras is a label given to the various rebel groups opposing Nicaragua's FSLN (Frente Sandinista de Liberación Nacional) Sandinista Junta of National Reconstruction government following the July 1979 overthrow of Anastasio Somoza Debayle. Although the Contra movement included a number of separate groups, with different aims and little ideological unity, the Nicaraguan Democratic Force (FDN) emerged as by far the largest. In 1987, virtually all Contra organizations were united, at least nominally, into the Nicaraguan Resistance.
Hardly the same! But you leftists want to have it both ways. Always trying to find equivalence for leftists', overabundant misdeeds with any minor rightist misdeed. Just count the corpses, my friend, count the corpses! Hardly the same.
Originally posted by scacchipazzoYour freedom fighter is my terrorist, and the Contras were terrorists.
As usual you bring up non-sequiturs. The Contras were not terrorists, but FARC is a dedicated terror organization. Kidnappings, arms trafficking, murder, land mine laying in civilian areas.
The Contras is a label given to the various rebel groups opposing Nicaragua's FSLN (Frente Sandinista de Liberación Nacional) Sandinista Junta of National Recons ...[text shortened]... minor rightist misdeed. Just count the corpses, my friend, count the corpses! Hardly the same.
Originally posted by scacchipazzoPeople have counted the corpses, my friend. In Guatemala. El Salvador. Paraguay. Chile. Nicaragua. Haiti. The list goes on. What's with this ahistorical "minor rightist misdeeds" thing of yours? Sounds like you're not the one to give the job of counting to.
As usual you bring up non-sequiturs. The Contras were not terrorists, but FARC is a dedicated terror organization. Kidnappings, arms trafficking, murder, land mine laying in civilian areas.
The Contras is a label given to the various rebel groups opposing Nicaragua's FSLN (Frente Sandinista de Liberación Nacional) Sandinista Junta of National Recons ...[text shortened]... minor rightist misdeed. Just count the corpses, my friend, count the corpses! Hardly the same.
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Originally posted by FMFMao trumps all of the alleged body counts you mention. Add Papa Stalin and Ukraine alone was many times over the total populations of the countries you mention before their population explosions of the last qtr of 20th century. Just tell me how many people the Contras starved to death? Stalin killed 7 million people in Ukraine. Where's the Contra Gulags? Even right wing totalitarian Hitler comes nowhere near Stalin and Mao. How about Pol Pot? Is that another of your freedom fighters? Perhaps I count better than you think!
People [b]have counted the corpses, my friend. In Guatemala. El Salvador. Paraguay. Chile. Nicaragua. Haiti. The list goes on. What's with this ahistorical "minor rightist misdeeds" thing of yours? Sounds like you're not the one to give the job of counting to.[/b]
RJ Rummel writes:
In the process of that research, I discovered that governments have murdered millions of their own citizens, and that in some cases, the death toll may have actually exceeded that of World War II. To get some idea of the numbers involved, I surveyed the extent of genocide and mass killing by governments since 1900. The results were shocking: according to these first figures, independent of war and other kinds of conflict, governments probably have murdered 119,400,000 people, Marxist governments about 95,200,000 of them. By comparison, the battle-killed in all foreign and domestic wars in this century total 35,700,000.
So far my math appears to be holding up!
Originally posted by scacchipazzoSo why have we jumped from Latin America to Asia and Europe? And why do you assume - because I disagree with you about Latin America - that I am a supporter of Pol Pot for instance? When did I say anything about "freedom fighters"?
Mao trumps all of the alleged body counts you mention. Add Papa Stalin and Ukraine alone was many times over the total populations of the countries you mention before their population explosions of the last qtr of 20th century. Just tell me how many people the Contras starved to death? Stalin killed 7 million people in Ukraine. Where's the Contra Gulags ...[text shortened]... about Pol Pot? Is that another of your freedom fighters? Perhaps I count better than you think!
Originally posted by FMFNo one said you like Pol Pot. Simply another Marxist murderer. I blend you and wringett together as big defenders of Marxism. If you do not consider FARC freedom fighters then I stand corrected but I really, really doubt strongly you are not a Marxist apologist. I'm sure you also love Castro, Che, etc. I on the other hand intensely detest Hitler and what he did and any other genocidal regime on the right! I make absolutely no excuses for any genocidal maniac the way you and wringett do.
So why have we jumped from Latin America to Asia and Europe? And why do you assume - because I disagree with you about Latin America - that I am a supporter of Pol Pot for instance? When did I say anything about "freedom fighters"?
Originally posted by scacchipazzoIf you actually read some of my posts, you'll see that I frequently attack Marx. I'm a socialist, but I have no use for Marx. I also have no interest in FARC, but they are no worse than your Contras. So if you want to rail on against Pol Pot and Mao, you've come to the wrong guy.
No one said you like Pol Pot. Simply another Marxist murderer. I blend you and wringett together as big defenders of Marxism. If you do not consider FARC freedom fighters then I stand corrected but I really, really doubt strongly you are not a Marxist apologist. I'm sure you also love Castro, Che, etc. I on the other hand intensely detest Hitler and wha ...[text shortened]... n the right! I make absolutely no excuses for any genocidal maniac the way you and wringett do.
Originally posted by FMFDo you have support for these assertions on these countries, or just trying to be a jack of all trade and a master of none again?
People [b]have counted the corpses, my friend. In Guatemala. El Salvador. Paraguay. Chile. Nicaragua. Haiti. The list goes on. What's with this ahistorical "minor rightist misdeeds" thing of yours? Sounds like you're not the one to give the job of counting to.[/b]
What point did you mean to make by listing these countries and how do you support your political stance on each of these local conflicts?