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@no1marauder said‘Virginia withholds academic awards’. If you just Google that, you can find it I am on a boat all day no computer
In capitalism, workers get paid what they can negotiate from their bosses. If you negotiated better than Mott even if he was a better worker, you'd get paid more. Conversely , if your boss felt like paying Mott more because, for example, Mott was his brother in law, that would be your tough luck even if you "worked harder" than Mott.
Rewards in capitalism have little to do with who "works harder" as you have been shown many times.
Geez…negotiate? Then Let the two of us be D students in high school, and we don’t speak very well. Geez. What is it with you? You can answer this question, just give in on one every now and then.
………. Capitalism?…..geez again
@no1marauder saidwhat you describe is cronyism/nepotism which applies across the board, it is not exclusive to capitalism as you suggest
In capitalism, workers get paid what they can negotiate from their bosses. If you negotiated better than Mott even if he was a better worker, you'd get paid more. Conversely , if your boss felt like paying Mott more because, for example, Mott was his brother in law, that would be your tough luck even if you "worked harder" than Mott.
Rewards in capitalism have little to do with who "works harder" as you have been shown many times.
@averagejoe1 saidHi, Dr. Dementia. How's tricks?
I don’t understand. So, if Mott works harder than I do, qualifying for more money, would these authorities hold back some of his salary?
Please apply logic
Anyway, I found the Fox article. Let's be clear about one thing: the awards are not being "held back" in the sense you use the term here (i.e. outright denied); rather, their issuance is being delayed by school authorities for a few weeks.
I oppose this policy of delaying awards for the reason stated in the Fox article, though I admit I have not dug deeper to find a more reputable news source.
As an aside, I suspect a solid majority of "libs" would oppose this administrative policy. School, college, and university administrators are a unique breed that is hardly representative of the general population of progressives in the US. As a higher education faculty member, I can say this has always been so for as long as I can remember.
What you're railing against is not so much "liberalism" as the bureaucratic mindset, one of the few constants in the universe.
@averagejoe1 saidWhat "question" do you want me to answer?
‘Virginia withholds academic awards’. If you just Google that, you can find it I am on a boat all day no computer
Geez…negotiate? Then Let the two of us be D students in high school, and we don’t speak very well. Geez. What is it with you? You can answer this question, just give in on one every now and then.
………. Capitalism?…..geez again
@averagejoe1 saidTurns out to be more BS pedaled by Fox and Friends:
I don’t understand. So, if Mott works harder than I do, qualifying for more money, would these authorities hold back some of his salary?
Please apply logic
"My understanding is that students this year did have information about their status prior to November 1 for early college deadlines, and I can confirm that certificates sent to my office were processed in a timely fashion."
E-Mail from Ann Bonitatibus, Principal Thomas Jefferson High School for Science and Technology
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/23466063-national-merit-tjhsst-emails
Just to show the damage such idiotic reporting of unverified claims made by a few disgruntled parents can have there are now demands the administrators at the school be fired even though:
"Thomas Jefferson High School for Science and Technology is ranked #1 in the National Rankings. Schools are ranked on their performance on state-required tests, graduation and how well they prepare students for college. Read more about how we rank the Best High Schools."
https://www.usnews.com/education/best-high-schools/virginia/districts/fairfax-county-public-schools/thomas-jefferson-high-school-for-science-and-technology-20461
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@soothfast saidIt doesn't appear they "delayed" the awards though they didn't make a big deal out of them like some schools do:
Hi, Dr. Dementia. How's tricks?
Anyway, I found the Fox article. Let's be clear about one thing: the awards are not being "held back" in the sense you use the term here (i.e. outright denied); rather, their issuance is being delayed by school authorities for a few weeks.
I oppose this policy of delaying awards for the reason stated in the Fox article, though I admi ...[text shortened]... t is not so much "liberalism" as the bureaucratic mindset, one of the few constants in the universe.
"Upon learning about the awards in mid-September, principals usually quickly announce National Merit Commended Students and Semifinalists with special breakfasts, award ceremonies, YouTube videos, press releases, and social media announcements. "
https://www.fairfaxtimes.com/articles/fairfax_county/fcps-withholds-awards-pays-455-000-for-equity-contractor/article_0bb6c642-86c9-11ed-abbf-cb802353dab6.html
That's kinda understandable in a school that has such high rates of achievement across the board.
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@no1marauder saidYes, apparently just one school employee -- allegedly -- said something about trying to prevent "hurt feelings" among students who earned no awards, but this employee was not speaking for the school, and I have my doubts about the particulars of the incident.
It doesn't appear they "delayed" the awards though they didn't make a big deal out of them like some schools do:
"Upon learning about the awards in mid-September, principals usually quickly announce National Merit Commended Students and Semifinalists with special breakfasts, award ceremonies, YouTube videos, press releases, and social media announcements. "
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That's kinda understandable in a school that has such high rates of achievement across the board.
But that just brings up the obvious question: if it were all about "hurt feelings," then just forego having a big public event on campus. Send notices of the awards quietly by mail, and be done with it. The Fox article, taken at face value, paints a bizarre picture that looks "off" no matter which end is up, in the sense that it doesn't appear to mesh with reality.
Just another tempest in a teapot stirred up by the right-wing outrage machine.
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@averagejoe1 saidThe bricklayer example: Work, in and of itself, entails no entitlement whatever to any remuneration whatever. Wages, if any, depend on contracts and conditions, not work per se. First, because one of the bricklayers may have been sentenced to render x-hours of community service, without pay, and the other may have volunteered (because he’s helping build a wall for his kid’s playground or a local church). And second, because seniority counts for something; an apprentice does not, should not, make the same wage as a journeyman, even if, on any given day, he lays more bricks.
You most certainly do not. We can stipulate that any teacher who holds back awards for success, to avoid hurt feelings or whatever, is wrong. Plain wrong. If you disagree, please say why, all ears. This is what good debate is about. Not the stuff Shav just wrote, nasty, I saw it before it was erased.
So, given that, authorities are groups (teachers) who hold sway over ...[text shortened]... ective reason?
I could not make this more simple. I can’t WAIT to see Marauder tear into it.
@moonbus saidPlease. My simple facts say that they are being paid. Period. So of what relevance is your saying all this stuff in your first para.? Can we clear this up by saying the job pays $10/hr to whomever does it. It could be a senior, or journeyman, or a high schooler. Obviously they would not be hired if they could not do the particular job, side by side. You are trying to squeeze the ‘safety net’ concept in here, for the old man, or a child who can’t lift bricks.
The bricklayer example: Work, in and of itself, entails no entitlement whatever to any remuneration whatever. Wages, if any, depend on contracts and conditions, not work per se. First, because one of the bricklayers may have been sentenced to render x-hours of community service, without pay, and the other may have volunteered (because he’s helping build a wall for his kid’s p ...[text shortened]... not, should not, make the same wage as a journeyman, even if, on any given day, he lays more bricks.
Next you will say the owner should make the job easy on certain people, and pay them all the same amount of money at end of the day. You are doing Marauder’s work!
Anyway, please reread the issue. We all are aware that educators have tried to balance classes, for lack of a better phrase, so all come out equal. Witness, the trophies for all players. So my premise goes back to that, the VA story is just one of many. Y’all muddy up the issue with your posts.
Negotiations? Capitalism? Volunteerism?
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@no1marauder saidReally getting into the weeds, every detail, the whys, wherefores. Color it as you like, they mess with human nature and development. Libs don’t care, because libs create little soldiers. I’d rather create the AynRands, but let us stay on subject.
Turns out to be more BS pedaled by Fox and Friends:
"My understanding is that students this year did have information about their status prior to November 1 for early college deadlines, and I can confirm that certificates sent to my office were processed in a timely fashion."
E-Mail from Ann Bonitatibus, Principal Thomas Jefferson High School for Science and Technol ...[text shortened]... istricts/fairfax-county-public-schools/thomas-jefferson-high-school-for-science-and-technology-20461
You are all about certificates, and snippets of elements of time….whatever. But see my post above, this is just ONE example of constructing children, molding them, lining them up in a straight line. Dam creepy. Goes on a lot.
So, should I be treated same as Mott even if he works twice as hard as me? The answer is no, but why can’t libs say i?
@averagejoe1 saidYeah, all those pesky workaday details marring your lazy fantasies. Curse them.
Really getting into the weeds, every detail, the whys, wherefores.
@averagejoe1 saidWhat a load of word salad. Are you having another mini stroke? It sounds like you're dribbling out both sides of your mouth about soulless minions of orthodoxy conspiring to steal your karmic energy to awaken Cthulhu and condemn humanity to a thousand years of baby-devouring darkness. Am I close?
Color it as you like, they mess with human nature and development. Libs don’t care, because libs create little soldiers. I’d rather create the AynRands, but let us stay on subject.
You are all about certificates, and snippets of elements of time….whatever. But see my post above, this is just ONE example of constructing children, molding them, lining them up in a strai ...[text shortened]... ted same as Mott even if he works twice as hard as me? The answer is no, but why can’t libs say i?
@soothfast said……….and it was such as simple question.
What a load of word salad. Are you having another mini stroke? It sounds like you're dribbling out both sides of your mouth about soulless minions of orthodoxy conspiring to steal your karmic energy to awaken Cthulhu and condemn humanity to a thousand years of baby-devouring darkness. Am I close?
Fret not, everyone I will find another.
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@averagejoe1 saidYou should be treated equally in law. That does not mean you should be paid equally; that would be um … I’m getting so forgetful … what’s the word for when everyone is paid the same ? C’mon, help me out here …
Really getting into the weeds, every detail, the whys, wherefores. Color it as you like, they mess with human nature and development. Libs don’t care, because libs create little soldiers. I’d rather create the AynRands, but let us stay on subject.
You are all about certificates, and snippets of elements of time….whatever. But see my post above, this is just ONE exampl ...[text shortened]... ted same as Mott even if he works twice as hard as me? The answer is no, but why can’t libs say i?
Oh yeah, socialism. Yeah, that’s when everyone is paid the same.