@averagejoe1 said“Reread the issue”? Why bother? Marauder has teased out the facts of the case at issue here and determined that Faux News, as usual, did two things wrong with this story: a) made a big stink about a trivial matter, and b) put a twisted interpretation on it. And you then ridiculously over-generalize it, as if the whole country were going down the tubes because one bureaucrat in VA delayed releasing a student’s test scores. You’re quite a character.
Please. My simple facts say that they are being paid. Period. So of what relevance is your saying all this stuff in your first para.? Can we clear this up by saying the job pays $10/hr to whomever does it. It could be a senior, or journeyman, or a high schooler. Obviously they would not be hired if they could not do the particular job, side by side. You are trying to s ...[text shortened]... one of many. Y’all muddy up the issue with your posts.
Negotiations? Capitalism? Volunteerism?
BTW, I just made my 2023 New Year’s resolution: not to read any more threads you start, no matter how tempting the title.
@soothfast saidBut that is a tool Marauder uses in posts. His imagination goes into warp speed to confuse the issue. He drags in every extraneous possibility, he might say that ' AvJoe may have been late to work, so did not produce as much as Mott'.
Yeah, all those pesky workaday details marring your lazy fantasies. Curse them.
The OP facts need no needling, you see. He cannot look at a straight issue without stirring it all up. The lib mindset of the educators is to stir up the relationship of the children, to toy with the results. They may be thinking of the 'good of the People' , as Marauder likes to say. He is not about the good of the individual. I hate it. I am not changing many minds!!! 😕
@moonbus saidI dont understand your take here.
You should be treated equally in law. That does not mean you should be paid equally; that would be um … I’m getting so forgetful … what’s the word for when everyone is paid the same ? C’mon, help me out here …
Oh yeah, socialism. Yeah, that’s when everyone is paid the same.
You are doing Marauder-eze. It is obvious in the OP that the issue is treating equal workers the same when wages are paid at the end of the day. Why in the WORLD would you suggest they are working diff jobs for diff wages? The issue is treating same-pay workers differently. Get some coffee.
And the word 'should' puzzles me. An employer can pay an employee anything he wants to . There ain't no should. 🤔
@moonbus saidThe OP uses the 'equality concept' in education to make a point. It goes beyond just this case, which is a case that evidences the wrongfulness of some actions of educators when they attempt to achieve equality. Equity is fine, equality is not.
“Reread the issue”? Why bother? Marauder has teased out the facts of the case at issue here and determined that Faux News, as usual, did two things wrong with this story: a) made a big stink about a trivial matter, and b) put a twisted interpretation on it. And you then ridiculously over-generalize it, as if the whole country were going down the tubes because one bureaucrat i ...[text shortened]... 023 New Year’s resolution: not to read any more threads you start, no matter how tempting the title.
Sorry you will ignore my threads.
@averagejoe1 saidActually, it is a case that only shows that viewers of Fox and Friends are given misinformation and gullibly swallow it whole without checking the facts.
The OP uses the 'equality concept' in education to make a point. It goes beyond just this case, which is a case that evidences the wrongfulness of some actions of educators when they attempt to achieve equality. Equity is fine, equality is not.
Sorry you will ignore my threads.
@no1marauder saidThe facts, of my post, are in the OP. The post has nothing to do with the Washington post, IAMGREATNES.com, I, NYT, or WSJ, all of whom reported it.
Actually, it is a case that only shows that viewers of Fox and Friends are given misinformation and gullibly swallow it whole without checking the facts.
Oh, FOX reported it too, if I may be glib.
It is a real simple analogy, I don’t see why y’all have to fiddle with it. Is it because you are torn?!?! The facts, and answer, are obvious. If educators can dance around and play politics with children’s accomplishments, why can’t the employer mess with his employees at 5PM, quitting time?
I’ve lost Moonbus, see above, but note the title of the article says ‘in the name of equity’. What has happened to equality?
@averagejoe1 saidWhatever the school is doing, it seems to be working. It was the #1 rated high school in the nation based on test scores and other factors. Probably why Fox and Friends tried to gin up a fake scandal.
The facts, of my post, are in the OP. The post has nothing to do with the Washington post, IAMGREATNES.com, I, NYT, or WSJ, all of whom reported it.
Oh, FOX reported it too, if I may be glib.
It is a real simple analogy, I don’t see why y’all have to fiddle with it. Is it because you are torn?!?! The facts, and answer, are obvious. If educators can dance around and ...[text shortened]... e, but note the title of the article says ‘in the name of equity’. What has happened to equality?
@no1marauder saidNo argument, but who in the world on the Forum wants to delve into all of that world, or any world where things go on in back rooms that we don’t know anything about. We can only try to post interesting concepts and questions, like I just did. I think it was nothing wrong with my post on Virginia school. I don’t know what Moonbeam was all mad about.
Whatever the school is doing, it seems to be working. It was the #1 rated high school in the nation based on test scores and other factors. Probably why Fox and Friends tried to gin up a fake scandal.
With all due respect, I noticed that you are really mired in the Covid vaccine thread with MB. I cannot imagine. Truly, only doctors could discuss something like this, nothing will come of it. Not my idea of fun, which the forum should be. I would rather be getting some great air and glorious golden sun right now, which I am doing. Hey, didn’t you get after me one time for sitting on the computer all the time. What in the world are you doing right now?
Happy new year.
@averagejoe1 saidJesus wept man you’re actually talking to yourself, wasn’t JJ stupid enough to keep you entertained?
That, is the question.
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@kevcvs57 saidI upset you guys because I am not a pollyanna, I point out truths. Shav in another thread speaks of socialism as if it is a great thing, I believe that only 2 countries , Korea and Cuba, have given it a go, and it is all quite sad. So any such debate can easily be won by a person who detests socialism, and I get chided for it. Go Figure.
Jesus wept man you’re actually talking to yourself, wasn’t JJ stupid enough to keep you entertained?
Here, I remind everyone that educators try to make all kids equal no matter their grades. They even give the losing side a trophy. Liberals think is a good education. Conservatives seem to be winning that argument as well.
But, but, yes, I know, you liberals will win in the end. Will y'all let my grandson keep al of the profits of his business when he becomes an entrepreneur, or are you gonna send govt officials around to be sure he shares it with all of the employees? You see, this starts with 'sharing' his good grades. If he makes an A, and little Jose' makes a D, will teacher just give each of them C+?
@averagejoe1 saidNo they do not do that and you’re simply lying again.
I upset you guys because I am not a pollyanna, I point out truths. Shav in another thread speaks of socialism as if it is a great thing, I believe that only 2 countries , Korea and Cuba, have given it a go, and it is all quite sad. So any such debate can easily be won by a person who detests socialism, and I get chided for it. Go Figure.
Here, I remind everyone that ...[text shortened]... s good grades. If he makes an A, and little Jose' makes a D, will teacher just give each of them C+?
@kevcvs57 saidFirst ,, may I refer you to the VA school, subject of this post? It gets discussed all the time, it is considered, and you may be enlightened by this link. If it is not considered, why would there even be this article?
No they do not do that and you’re simply lying again.
https://www.edweek.org/teaching-learning/opinion-fair-is-not-equal/2019/11
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@shavixmir saidChalk up another for AvJoe.
My god! This right-wing reach-around is still going???
Hey jump over to the Meanwhile Los Angeles thread, booger and I are going at it. Wants to restrict income or some such, change pay disbursement, etc. amazing. No expensive yacht!