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  1. 23 Jan '18 20:15 / 2 edits
    As Democrats and Republicans jockey for political advantage over everything from Healthcare to DACA to Infrastructure, achieving nothing but gridlock, and division, over 80% of Americans are angry and want to clean house in Congress and start over, but do they do it? NO! Mitch McConnell, Chuck Schumer, Orrin Hatch, Dianne Feinstein and many others have been in Congress for decades. So, who's to blame for this? The lawmakers, or the voters who keep re electing them?
  2. 23 Jan '18 21:19
    Originally posted by @mchill
    As Democrats and Republicans jockey for political advantage over everything from Healthcare to DACA to Infrastructure, achieving nothing but gridlock, and division, over 80% of Americans are angry and want to clean house in Congress and start over, but do they do it? NO! Mitch McConnell, Chuck Schumer, Orrin Hatch, Dianne Feinstein and many others have been ...[text shortened]... or decades. So, who's to blame for this? The lawmakers, or the voters who keep re electing them?
    People like you that would chose democrat come hell or high water.
  3. 23 Jan '18 21:29
    Originally posted by @mott-the-hoople
    People like you that would chose democrat come hell or high water.
    And ........ what would be wrong with that ??
    It seems perfectly OK to vote GOP come hell or high water or an idiot in the White House !!
  4. 23 Jan '18 21:36
    Originally posted by @mghrn55
    And ........ what would be wrong with that ??
    It seems perfectly OK to vote GOP come hell or high water or an idiot in the White House !!
    who said it was ok to vote gop come hell or high water? delirium? overdose? why are you imagining things?
  5. 23 Jan '18 22:50
    Originally posted by @mott-the-hoople
    who said it was ok to vote gop come hell or high water? delirium? overdose? why are you imagining things?
    You brought up the "hell or high water" referring to Dems.
  6. 24 Jan '18 02:16
    Originally posted by @mghrn55
    You brought up the "hell or high water" referring to Dems.
    and you brought up the gop as if I included them...just trying to see your point.
  7. 24 Jan '18 10:32
    Originally posted by @mchill
    As Democrats and Republicans jockey for political advantage over everything from Healthcare to DACA to Infrastructure, achieving nothing but gridlock, and division, over 80% of Americans are angry and want to clean house in Congress and start over, but do they do it? NO! Mitch McConnell, Chuck Schumer, Orrin Hatch, Dianne Feinstein and many others have been ...[text shortened]... or decades. So, who's to blame for this? The lawmakers, or the voters who keep re electing them?
    As the meme says: why not both? You and your oligarchs merrily continue to reinforce eachothers' worst character traits. B$##@r both of you.

    Of course, the real culprits are your sanctified Founding Fathers, who set up your political system so that this would be the inevitable outcome. But they're sacred, and the system is perfectly democratic, so let's not talk about that, OK?
  8. Standard member shavixmir
    Guppy poo
    24 Jan '18 12:29
    Originally posted by @shallow-blue
    As the meme says: why not both? You and your oligarchs merrily continue to reinforce eachothers' worst character traits. B$##@r both of you.

    Of course, the real culprits are your sanctified Founding Fathers, who set up your political system so that this would be the inevitable outcome. But they're sacred, and the system is perfectly democratic, so let's not talk about that, OK?
    You nailed it.

    The system is broken.
    Unless the Americans are willing to change it, they’re stuck in a political quagmire.
  9. 24 Jan '18 14:29
    Well they reopened the government and I'm mad as hell about it!
  10. 24 Jan '18 15:19 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by @shallow-blue
    As the meme says: why not both? You and your oligarchs merrily continue to reinforce eachothers' worst character traits. B$##@r both of you.

    Of course, the real culprits are your sanctified Founding Fathers, who set up your political system so that this would be the inevitable outcome. But they're sacred, and the system is perfectly democratic, so let's not talk about that, OK?
    I'm sorry if our blundering founding fathers and their silly ideas offend you Mr. shallow, but I'd like to remind you that we blundered our way into Berlin in 1945 and saved your precious backsides from the Nazi's. Our system of government is not perfect, but I'd wager it's far better than Der Fuhrer could have offered you.

    So let's not talk about that. OK?
  11. 24 Jan '18 15:46
    Originally posted by @shallow-blue
    As the meme says: why not both? You and your oligarchs merrily continue to reinforce eachothers' worst character traits. B$##@r both of you.

    Of course, the real culprits are your sanctified Founding Fathers, who set up your political system so that this would be the inevitable outcome. But they're sacred, and the system is perfectly democratic, so let's not talk about that, OK?
    Our founding fathers created a constitution. DACA is a direct VIOLATION of this constitution. That is where the problem lies.
  12. 24 Jan '18 15:47
    Originally posted by @shavixmir
    You nailed it.

    The system is broken.
    Unless the Americans are willing to change it, they’re stuck in a political quagmire.
    Does this change mean...abiding by our constitution once again?
  13. 24 Jan '18 15:55
    Originally posted by @mott-the-hoople
    Our founding fathers created a constitution. DACA is a direct VIOLATION of this constitution. That is where the problem lies.
    I think you'll get an argument from the judiciary on that one.
  14. 24 Jan '18 16:08
    Originally posted by @mchill
    I think you'll get an argument from the judiciary on that one.
    That is in the works...

    DACA is not law...it came about by an executive order...DACA violates federal law. Executive orders cannot violate federal law.

    http://www.scotusblog.com/2018/01/trump-administration-asks-supreme-court-intervene-daca/
  15. Subscriber Suzianne
    Misfit Queen
    24 Jan '18 23:26
    Originally posted by @mott-the-hoople
    Our founding fathers created a constitution. DACA is a direct VIOLATION of this constitution. That is where the problem lies.
    Idiot.