-Removed-Here's some i9nformational material for you since you quite obviously have no idea what the real issues are: https://www.democracydocket.com/analysis/how-id-requirements-harm-marginalized-communities-and-their-right-to-vote/
Here's something for Mott:
"While only 8% of white Americans do not have a driver’s license, 21% of Black Americans and 23% of Hispanic Americans do not have access to this form of ID."
https://www.democracydocket.com/analysis/how-id-requirements-harm-marginalized-communities-and-their-right-to-vote/
@Mott-The-Hoople saidFrom a previous state.
just trying to see your side
where did that previous state come from?
Where dis god come from?
@sh76 saidDid the SCOTUS get it wrong in Harper v. Virginia Bd. of Elections, 383 U.S. 663 (1966) where it ruled that poll taxes levied to qualify to vote in State elections were unconstitutional violations of the Equal Protection Clause? There the amount of the poll tax was a mere $1.50 a nominal amount.
I think providing a free ID is a perfectly reasonable compromise, but it's not like it costs much as it is. In NY it's between $6.50 and $14. Even for people of limited means, that not much money.
https://dmv.ny.gov/non-driver-id/non-driver-id-fees-and-refunds
If they were to give free ID, I'm sure the next thing we'll hear is that working class people don't have time to g ...[text shortened]... ing place. Nominal costs associated with engaging in a right doesn't mean the right is being denied.
https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/383/663/
-Removed-Take at look at the title of the thread and try to stop lying.
EDIT: Who said this:
Ok so some people are, for some strange reason, conscientious objectors to General and voting ID cards, despite us having diving licence ID cards, bank and credit cards (essentially IDs), digital IDs for websites, facial ID for unlocking devices, government ID cards and digital IDs for accessing tax accounts, passports which have all our identity attached, our cars have ID plates which are registered with the government, our homes have an ID registration and even some animals and pets have IDs.
But the bottom line is that voter ID needs to happen and it needs to be airtight secure.
Note that poster, whoever it was, is adopting the right wing definition of "voter ID".
-Removed-You gave no specific examples of how to "tighten voter security" besides adopting the incorrect definition of "voter ID" that right wingers endorse with the aim of disenfranchising millions of Americans, most of whom are low income and/or minorities. You are being disingenuous.
You believe many things that aren't true so feel free to believe whatever you wish about me personally.
@no1marauder saidNo, SCOTUS wasn't wrong, but not all ancillary expenses can be considered poll taxes. I'm still not seeing the difference between paying a few bucks for a photo ID and paying a few bucks for an Uber to get to the polling place.
Did the SCOTUS get it wrong in Harper v. Virginia Bd. of Elections, 383 U.S. 663 (1966) where it ruled that poll taxes levied to qualify to vote in State elections were unconstitutional violations of the Equal Protection Clause? There the amount of the poll tax was a mere $1.50 a nominal amount.
https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/383/663/
@sh76 saidVoting is huge, @sh76.
No, SCOTUS wasn't wrong, but not all ancillary expenses can be considered poll taxes. I'm still not seeing the difference between paying a few bucks for a photo ID and paying a few bucks for an Uber to get to the polling place.
"That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government,..."
In our republic, "the governed" only have one sure way to "consent" and that is by voting. If we put ANY barrier in the way of a voter, that voter has the right to ABOLISH this government and put another one in its place. That's why the government never has any business making voting harder. It can only make voting easier. That's THE principle on which our country is founded.
@sh76 saidThe government is forcing you to pay for the former, but not the latter.
No, SCOTUS wasn't wrong, but not all ancillary expenses can be considered poll taxes. I'm still not seeing the difference between paying a few bucks for a photo ID and paying a few bucks for an Uber to get to the polling place.
See it now?
