Originally posted by Conrau KDuh -- he got elected because of the electoral college, which was invented by people who thought people were too stupid to determine such an important thing. Bush did NOT get the majority of VOTES in the first election, but did get the majority of Electoral College votes. Study first, post second.
Should we have them?
Personally I think there should be restriction on who can vote. Just from observation the majority of any nation is stupid. So should stupid people be allowed to vote?...stupid people make stupid votes (insert joke about George Bush.)
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Originally posted by Conrau Kwho decides on who is smart enough?
Should we have them?
Personally I think there should be restriction on who can vote. Just from observation the majority of any nation is stupid. So should stupid people be allowed to vote?...stupid people make stupid votes (insert joke about George Bush.)
Originally posted by VapataHehe, yeah, such a novel idea 🙂
I believe in educating the masses, and providing a minimum level of education, but it seems to be quite a novel idea.
Anyways, I think it is harder than that. Collectively, people are stupid, at least here in the united states. Sometimes I can't believe on the local laws that residents vote for.
In any case, I'm not sure the term "uneducated masses" refers to a mass of people that could be educated given proper schooling, money and time. I think it means that naturally people en mass will make poor decisions.
Of course, that is my only opinion. Maybe they could be more educated but it is just that our school system here in the US sucks? I don't know 🙂
Originally posted by DraxusIf it didn't suck, then there wouldn't be as much evangelism as there is today. Generally speaking, the people who turn to religion are ignorant, and simply see it as a source of knowledge. If we would just let the schools teach evolution, and would emphasize education a bit more, then maybe it would be taken seriously. The most powerful country in the world should also be the most educated.
Hehe, yeah, such a novel idea 🙂
Anyways, I think it is harder than that. Collectively, people are stupid, at least here in the united states. Sometimes I can't believe on the local laws that residents vote for.
In any case, I'm not sure the term "uneducated masses" refers to a mass of people that could be educated given proper schooling, money and ti ...[text shortened]... more educated but it is just that our school system here in the US sucks? I don't know 🙂
I am an optimist and believe that if there were better education, that perhaps Americans would have some idea about what world history is (or at least their own), and maybe be able to find the countries we bombed on a map.
Originally posted by VapataI'm not sure how religion got into the debate, but I disagree with almost everything you said about religion. In my experience, some of the most educated people I have ever met have been religious. Jews also have a reputation for being very religious and very educated. I also disagree that our schools suck because we don't teach evolution. The evolution thing is more of a problem with our government's policies than religion or evangelism in schools.
If it didn't suck, then there wouldn't be as much evangelism as there is today. Generally speaking, the people who turn to religion are ignorant, and simply see it as a source of knowledge. If we would just let the schools teach evolution, and would emphasize education a bit more, then maybe it would be taken seriously. The most powerful country in the world ...[text shortened]... istory is (or at least their own), and maybe be able to find the countries we bombed on a map.
I know it is human nature, but you should be careful to stereotype people you don't agree with. There's millions of religious people and some are going to be stupid while others are going to be brilliant. That's beside the point though. 🙂
I believe our schools suck because of the state regulations put on them, the fact that teachers get bored of teaching, the fact that it takes two farts to graduate and stupid tests like those from "No Child Left Behind." Whether or not we teach evolution (which we do, I don't understand why you think we don't), our schools by nature of our culture and government are of poor quality. You are correct though that our schools aren't taken seriously, I just disagree with you about the cause.
And yes, we should be able to at least point out on the map which countries we are bombing. That's the least we could do.
Originally posted by DraxusYou are right. I am not, however refferring to religious Jews. Even when they are orthodox, they are not evangelical (at least the intelligent ones I know aren't). I was reffering to the 59% of Americans who believe that the events in Revelations are going to happen and the 67% (approximately) who believe angels are among.
I'm not sure how religion got into the debate, but I disagree with almost everything you said about religion. In my experience, some of the most educated people I have ever met have been religious. Jews also have a reputation for being very religious and very educated. I also disagree that our schools suck because we don't teach evolution. The evolution t ...[text shortened]... point out on the map which countries we are bombing. That's the least we could do.
We do teach evolution in many parts of the country, but we don't in many states in the midwest. I have a cousin who wasn't taught it, and who lived in Michigan, which isn't exactly a particularly conservative state. I believe that if we were to get more teachers, and give them better salaries (yes, we could easily get the money for that and more), then people might become more informed as to what exactly IS going on, and not believe the BS about high-tech air-conditioned caves that was broadcast on one of the news channels (I think Fox). Anyway, you are right that evolution is not the problem, but it is a sort of marker, and you are right: the "no child left behind" act should be abolished. I posted before that we should stop worrying so much about invasions and nuclear weapons and spend more on education, and I suggested a system that you may agree with (though I have to go now, so I will post if you want to hear it).
Originally posted by VapataWhere do you get the 59% and 67% figures? I have never seen any indication in real life that anywhere near that many Americans believe in such a sincere manner.
You are right. I am not, however refferring to religious Jews. Even when they are orthodox, they are not evangelical (at least the intelligent ones I know aren't). I was reffering to the 59% of Americans who believe that the events in Revelations are going to happen and the 67% (approximately) who believe angels are among.
We do teach evolution in many par ...[text shortened]... that you may agree with (though I have to go now, so I will post if you want to hear it).
What makes you think that more money fed into an educational system translates directly into better education? In the final analysis every man educates himself and no amount of money will educate a man who has no desire to be educated. And the man who does have the desire to be educated will achieve an education with or without money.
However more public or private money funneled into an educational system does have the effect of producing individuals whose priorities will become the same as those who funneled in that money. When an individual or organization provdes the money for an individual's education then that individual is almost certain to learn what the provider wishes them to learn.
Originally posted by eddiedeanEveryone I personally know who holds an elected office holds that office because they got the highest number of votes in an election, Eddie.
it seems to me that the popular vote really doesnt matter. more than likely im just one of the uneducated. i think who wins in votes should win the election, crazy thought huh?
Originally posted by DelmerI got them from a speech. Although I don't remember the exact source, I remember the source being believable. If the educational system were to be reformed so as to pander to each person's academic strength, it would be more expensive. I believe that if people were to be simply given a good education, more people would see its value.
Where do you get the 59% and 67% figures? I have never seen any indication in real life that anywhere near that many Americans believe in such a sincere manner.
What makes you think that more money fed into an educational system translates directly into better education? In the final analysis every man educates himself and no amount of money will educate a ...[text shortened]... ucation then that individual is almost certain to learn what the provider wishes them to learn.
Originally posted by DelmerI agree with you that those who want to be educated will educate themselves and those who wish to not be educated will resist any efforts to do so, but, pumping money into the school systems could potentially solve many problems. The quickest benefit would be more teachers and better teachers. Smaller class sizes combined with teachers that actually inspire learning to occur will help those who want to learn do it better and might convert those who don't want to learn.
Where do you get the 59% and 67% figures? I have never seen any indication in real life that anywhere near that many Americans believe in such a sincere manner.
What makes you think that more money fed into an educational system translates directly into better education? In the final analysis every man educates himself and no amount of money will educate a ...[text shortened]... ucation then that individual is almost certain to learn what the provider wishes them to learn.
I would hope though that the more money a school gets doesn't directly translate into the more special interests and agendas in that group. You do have a good point that it could happen.
