Originally posted by normbenign Key words "would have". In that case, that scenario ought to have been considered before the first advisers were sent in.
The American Civil War argues against your theory.
No it doesn't. Obviously the populace in the former CSA states were not as committed to their independence as the people in Vietnam were. This is hardly surprising.
Originally posted by no1marauder No it doesn't. Obviously the populace in the former CSA states were not as committed to their independence as the people in Vietnam were. This is hardly surprising.
Strange conclusion given the carnage of that war, and its length. It may just be that Gettysburg was more favorable to the North than was the Tet offensive to the Vietnamese.
"Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!"
•Return to Patrick Henry – Give Me Liberty or Give Me Death
This quote is why things are the way they are. People have sold their souls to the nanny state to keep them "safe", for there is no end to the threats, no end to the violence, no end to the myriad of evils in the world that we need to be protected from. All wars and forms of a police state can be sold as such protection. We are but tax slaves to the military complex.
"I have but one lamp by which my feet are guided, and that is the lamp of experience. I know of no way of judging of the future but by the past. And judging by the past, I wish to know what there has been in the conduct of the British ministry for the last ten years to justify those hopes with which gentlemen have been pleased to solace themselves and the House. Is it that insidious smile with which our petition has been lately received?"
Originally posted by normbenign Strange conclusion given the carnage of that war, and its length. It may just be that Gettysburg was more favorable to the North than was the Tet offensive to the Vietnamese.
After their armies were defeated, the people in the South had no stomach for armed resistance. That is a historical fact.
The struggle the Vietnamese people waged against first direct colonial rule and than proxy colonial rule was far bloodier and longer than the US Civil War. They were in it until they achieved independence period as colonial rule and oppression was unbearable to them. The people of the South knew that being in the US wasn't a bad deal and the vast majority accepted defeat - something the Vietnamese never would have done.
Originally posted by no1marauder After their armies were defeated, the people in the South had no stomach for armed resistance. That is a historical fact.
The struggle the Vietnamese people waged against first direct colonial rule and than proxy colonial rule was far bloodier and longer than the US Civil War. They were in it until they achieved independence period as colonial rule an ...[text shortened]... bad deal and the vast majority accepted defeat - something the Vietnamese never would have done.
And you were there,, I think not.. you don't seem to have the right mental capabilities.... or in another term, the stomach for it.. like 1/2 of the rest of this country..
Originally posted by Hugh Glass And you were there,, I think not.. you don't seem to have the right mental capabilities.... or in another term, the stomach for it.. like 1/2 of the rest of this country..
Your heroic determination to have other people fight never ending, pointless wars is sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo manly.
Originally posted by no1marauder Your heroic determination to have other people fight never ending, pointless wars is sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo manly.
Oh my,, a raw nerve... good.. Probably the only time your adrenaline actually flows..
Originally posted by no1marauder After their armies were defeated, the people in the South had no stomach for armed resistance. That is a historical fact.
The struggle the Vietnamese people waged against first direct colonial rule and than proxy colonial rule was far bloodier and longer than the US Civil War. They were in it until they achieved independence period as colonial rule an ...[text shortened]... bad deal and the vast majority accepted defeat - something the Vietnamese never would have done.
Tell me, do you think that the United States would have the stomach to throw off an invasion today? You know, a Red Dawn scenario, take either the first movie, or the sequel?
If our military were defeated, would "the people" still resist?
Originally posted by normbenign Tell me, do you think that the United States would have the stomach to throw off an invasion today? You know, a Red Dawn scenario, take either the first movie, or the sequel?
If our military were defeated, would "the people" still resist?
04 Feb '15 02:07
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