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    Here is an excerpt from the link below:

    "The United States — which condemned the election as unfair and anti-democratic even before it happened — has threatened stricter sanctions. Also likely to increase pressure on Mr. Maduro’s government even before his next term begins: He has largely been cut off from international financing, and the government-run oil industry, which provides virtually all of the country’s hard currency, is in free fall, with plummeting production."

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/20/world/americas/venezuela-election.html

    Trump has threatened to invade Venezuela.

    https://in.reuters.com/article/usa-venezuela-military-idINKBN1AR2H1

    Trump has discussed coup plans.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/08/world/americas/donald-trump-venezuela-military-coup.html
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    12 Jan '19 09:11
    Here's the obvious answer to anyone who has even been remotely following developments in Venezuela: no.
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    @kazetnagorra said
    Here's the obvious answer to anyone who has even been remotely following developments in Venezuela: no.
    Does that mean Trump is justified in trying to overthrow him?
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    13 Jan '19 04:51
    @metal-brain said
    Does that mean Trump is justified in trying to overthrow him?
    Let's overthrow Trump first.
    We could have a healthy debate over the legitimacy of both administrations.
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    13 Jan '19 09:22
    @metal-brain said
    Does that mean Trump is justified in trying to overthrow him?
    I think both leaders should be overthrown peacefully, preferably without interference from other sovereign states' representatives.
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    14 Jan '19 14:42
    @mghrn55 said
    Let's overthrow Trump first.
    We could have a healthy debate over the legitimacy of both administrations.
    How about overthrowing Saudi Arabia first?
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    14 Jan '19 15:37
    @metal-brain said
    How about overthrowing Saudi Arabia first?
    You don't have to do it in a specific order.
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    14 Jan '19 16:08
    @metal-brain said
    How about overthrowing Saudi Arabia first?
    Let's work on the lower hanging fruit first.
    That is the addressing the legitimacy of an administration in an established democracy.

    You continue to use the tired old line of defense for Trump.
    Look at the other guy !!
    Look at the other guy !!

    Like the Trumpskulls always like to say ...
    America first !!
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    15 Jan '19 00:36
    @kazetnagorra said
    You don't have to do it in a specific order.
    How about those that dismember journalists first? Priorities do matter.
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    15 Jan '19 16:06
    @metal-brain said
    How about those that dismember journalists first? Priorities do matter.
    Whose priorities... to do what?

    The prime driver for regime change is and must be the people resident in that regime's territory.
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    @kazetnagorra said
    Whose priorities... to do what?

    The prime driver for regime change is and must be the people resident in that regime's territory.
    Those people can be armed by foreign nations like my government armed Syrian terrorists. Your preference for the type of regime change is merely superficial.
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    @kazetnagorra said
    Here's the obvious answer to anyone who has even been remotely following developments in Venezuela: no.
    From the link below:

    "President Maduro was re-elected on May 20, 2018, in response to the opposition demanding an early election. The legitimacy of the election of Maduro is so evident that it must be assumed those who say he is illegitimate are either intentionally false or ignorant. The election was scheduled consistent with the Venezuelan Constitution and in consultation with opposition parties. When it became evident that the opposition could not win the election, they decided, under pressure from the United States, to boycott the election in order to undermine its legitimacy. The facts are 9,389,056 people voted, 46% of eligible voters. Sixteen parties participated in the election with six candidates competing for the presidency.

    The electoral process was observed by more than 150 election observers. This included 14 electoral commissions from eight countries among them the Council of Electoral Experts of Latin America; two technical electoral missions; and 18 journalists from different parts of the world, among others. According to the international observers, “the elections were very transparent and complied with international parameters and national legislation.”

    Venezuela has one of the best electoral systems in the world. Voter fraud is not possible as identification and fingerprints are required for each voter. Voting machines are audited before and immediately after the election. Venezuela does something no other country in the world does — a public, citizen’s audit of a random sample of 53% of voting machines that is televised. All 18 parties signed the audits.

    Maduro won by a wide margin, obtaining 6,248,864 votes, 67.84%; followed by Henri Falcón with 1,927,958, 20.93%; Javier Bertucci with 1,015,895, 10.82%; and Reinaldo Quijada, who obtained 36,246 votes, 0.39% of the total.

    This same voting system has been used in elections that Maduro’s party has lost in governor’s and legislative elections. Venezuela is a real democracy with transparent elections. The United States could learn a good deal about real democracy from Venezuela."

    https://popularresistance.org/venezuela-what-activists-need-to-know-about-the-us-led-coup/?fbclid=IwAR29Ut-WjhVsXb_r8Kqid6FyragI617EFUnGV1FKzDVNHsmE3T6wqNqYHW0
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    03 Feb '19 11:57
    Jimmy Carter said Venezuela had the best election system in the world.

    YouTube
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    @metal-brain said
    Jimmy Carter said Venezuela had the best election system in the world.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IE-6X4iRv3Q
    But Jimmy Carter is an idiot.

    Honestly, when I look at Venezuela all I see is misery and corruption and death. Why then do Left wingers insist on defending them?

    They have oil for God's sake! They would be the Libya of South America, but then, the US would probably destroy them at that point like Obama did Gaddafi.
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    @whodey said
    But Jimmy Carter is an idiot.

    Honestly, when I look at Venezuela all I see is misery and corruption and death. Why then do Left wingers insist on defending them?

    They have oil for God's sake! They would be the Libya of South America, but then, the US would probably destroy them at that point like Obama did Gaddafi.
    The great depression was a lot of misery, corruption and death. We had lots of oil back then and robust industries. If not for the great depression we would have been the envy of the world and so powerful WW2 would never have happened. Why wasn't Hoover replaced? It must have been his fault. Everybody hated him for the poor economy. We didn't even have the excuse of being sabotaged by crippling sanctions like Venezuela and Iran do. How pathetic is that?

    What more proof do ya need? Americans back then were idiots. They should have stabbed him up the ass with a bayonet like Gadaffi. Right?
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