@uzless saidThe bombing of Germany and Japan wasn’t a genocide, but some of the attacks would most certainly, nowadays, be considered crimes against humanity.
Germany bombed England in 1940. In return, England and the Allies bombed Germany for 6 YEARS until Germany surrendered in 1945. Lots of German citizens were killed in these bombings but no one seems to call that a genocide.
Fast forward to today. Gaza bombs Israel. Israel responds by bombing Gaza. Gaza people die and it's a called a genocide (by some).
So wer ...[text shortened]... y obvious to you, most definitions of genocide do not include leaving 99.9% of the population alive.
@vivify saidThe Allies carpet bombed civilian targets, not only military targets. This was the scheme: the first wave of bombers flew over major cities, such as Hamburg, and dropped air-burst bombs over residential areas. This blew the roofs off. A second wave of bombers followed which dropped incendiary (phosphorus) bombs into the now open dwellings which burned them to the ground. 'Bomber Harris' was the architect of the this war-time strategy, and the intention was to break the will of the German people to resist. It was specifically targeting civilians.
The Allies had clear targets and clear objectives. Israel doesn't.
Allies targeted Germany's military, Israel bombs everyone, including civilians, women and children.
The Allies didn't seek to annex land, Israel does.
Allies didn't think all Germans should be exterminated....
No, it was not genocide; but it was specifically targeting civilians.
The bombing of Germany by the Allies would qualify as war crime if they ahd lost,
The bombing of English cities qualified as war crime.
Terrorist attacks are of course criminal. Holding hostages also.
Bombing of civiclians can count as war crime.
Hiding between civilians in the clear knowedge that they will be hit should be considered a war crime.
Storing rockets in places that should be extempt of attacks is certainly a breach of the rules of war and should considered to be a war crime.
@vivify saidYes, bomb everywhere there are rocket launchers, ammunition stockpiles, and other military apparatus. You call it what you like, nobody cares. Israel is looking to secure itself, and remove the ability of Hamas to ever repeat Oct 7th. There is no other way to deal with terrorists. If you know of one I would be interested in hearing it.
There are rockets everywhere. Therefore bomb everywhere.
We're all the same page; the only difference is you're hesitating to call it genocide.
Don't worry, RajK or one of the other conservatives will proudly admit it is.
@vivify saidIf there is no home for Palestinians after this war, then it is a well deserved end result to 75 years of war, which they started because of greed and hatred. The following fact needs to be repeated again for people like you.
I want to make one thing clear: I'm beyond discussing whether Israel is morally right for their actions or not. It's too late for that.
When this invasion ends, there will be no home for Palestinians to return to in Gaza. We are witnessing history at this moment: the beginning of end of the mid-East crisis.
There was an opportunity for peace in 1947/48 with the UN Partition Plan. They refused, and made it clear there will be no Jewish state in the land of Palestine. They started the war. They do not deserve a homeland.
@uzless saidIt was terrorism. It wasn't genocide.
Germany bombed England in 1940. In return, England and the Allies bombed Germany for 6 YEARS until Germany surrendered in 1945. Lots of German citizens were killed in these bombings but no one seems to call that a genocide.
Fast forward to today. Gaza bombs Israel. Israel responds by bombing Gaza. Gaza people die and it's a called a genocide (by some).
So wer ...[text shortened]... y obvious to you, most definitions of genocide do not include leaving 99.9% of the population alive.
It wasn't systematic, Germany still had a military, they didn't blockade Germany for years and starved them out, they didn't occupy Germany and forced them to live in an apartheid state as second class citizens, they didn't kidnap german children, they didn't force them to live in an effective open air prison, they didn't have french and british and americans colonists kick germans out of their homes, into an increasingly smaller territory.
@Rajk999 saidYou keep on repainting history there, dumb arse.
If there is no home for Palestinians after this war, then it is a well deserved end result to 75 years of war, which they started because of greed and hatred. The following fact needs to be repeated again for people like you.
There was an opportunity for peace in 1947/48 with the UN Partition Plan. They refused, and made it clear there will be no Jewish state in the land of Palestine. They started the war. They do not deserve a homeland.
@uzless saidThe Allies didn't push Germans out of Germany to make room for English or French or American settlers - so not ethnic cleansing.
Germany bombed England in 1940. In return, England and the Allies bombed Germany for 6 YEARS until Germany surrendered in 1945. Lots of German citizens were killed in these bombings but no one seems to call that a genocide.
Fast forward to today. Gaza bombs Israel. Israel responds by bombing Gaza. Gaza people die and it's a called a genocide (by some).
So wer ...[text shortened]... y obvious to you, most definitions of genocide do not include leaving 99.9% of the population alive.
The Allies also did not destroy Germans as a national or ethnic group - so no genocide.
WW2 was - by modern standards - a short, decisive war that completed specific objectives, after which countries returned to normalcy. Short, decisive wars are "better."
@shavixmir saidIf you had facts to counteract what I posted then you would provide it. But you have nothing but stupid insults. Here it is again
You keep on repainting history there, dumb arse.
There was an opportunity for peace in 1947/48 with the UN Partition Plan. FACT
They refused, and made it clear there will be no Jewish state in the land of Palestine. FACT
They started the war. FACT
They do not deserve a homeland. FACT
What they do deserve is to be scattered all over the Arab world. Why? Because they lack the ability to run a country. They have been getting billions of $$$ over the years and have nothing to show for it.
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@Ponderable saidThe Geneva Convention does in fact deal with all those things and they are war crimes. People like the Palestinians that start a war ignoring all these guidelines laid down for decent behaviour in a conflict, should not have the right to demand that the other side follow these guidelines.
The bombing of Germany by the Allies would qualify as war crime if they ahd lost,
The bombing of English cities qualified as war crime.
Terrorist attacks are of course criminal. Holding hostages also.
Bombing of civiclians can count as war crime.
Hiding between civilians in the clear knowedge that they will be hit should be considered a war crime.
Storing r ...[text shortened]... xtempt of attacks is certainly a breach of the rules of war and should considered to be a war crime.
@spruce112358 saidFully agree here. The Jews are pussyfooting around. They should bring out the big guns and get the damn job done.
Short, decisive wars are "better."
@Rajk999 saidFacts my arse.
If you had facts to counteract what I posted then you would provide it. But you have nothing but stupid insults. Here it is again
There was an opportunity for peace in 1947/48 with the UN Partition Plan. FACT
They refused, and made it clear there will be no Jewish state in the land of Palestine. FACT
They started the war. FACT
They do no ...[text shortened]... n a country. They have been getting billions of $$$ over the years and have nothing to show for it.
It’s all been pointed out in detail to you before.
@shavixmir saidArabs started the war. Facts from Britannica:
Facts my arse.
It’s all been pointed out in detail to you before.
The 1948 war was the culmination of a civil war, which took place from November 1947 to May 1948, between the Jews and Arabs living in the British mandate of Palestine. The conflict between Israel and Arab forces outside Palestine began on May 15, 1948, when those forces swooped in from neighboring countries just hours after British forces withdrew from Palestine and Israel had declared its independence.
https://www.britannica.com/event/1948-Arab-Israeli-War
@vivify saidThat's nonsense. If Israel were trying to exterminate the Gazans, they'd have killed a million, not a few thousand. Hamas is utterly incapable of stopping Israel if Israel really wanted to kill civillians. I get that you're just a victim of media slander and don't really mean to be anti-Semitic, but "extermination is the plan" is such a vile and self-evident lie, that coming from someone who obviously has nothing inherently against Jews, shows the level to which the insane slander of the far left has infected the common people.
Then Israel is targeting everything, aren't they? Refugee camps, children's hospitals, everything.
This is what I mean by Israel has no goal. They have no plan to end the war, extermination is the plan.
It's scary.
Refugee camps and schools and hospitals and the like have been target only when and to the extent that those very places are used as rocket launching sites and Hamas operational bases.