15 Dec 12
Originally posted by shilohYou know, interesting. I get on the case of ATY, Moon, rwing, and SF for not constraining their ideas to those that fit within this system. I think the system is monolithic and almost impossible to defeat. They propose alternatives.
Done.
Good work there, kiddoes.
15 Dec 12
Originally posted by sasquatch672You've got your own grand ideas, such as adopting aspects of Germany's education system, and in particular the apprenticeship system that teaches skills in trades.
You know, interesting. I get on the case of ATY, Moon, rwing, and SF for not constraining their ideas to those that fit within this system. I think the system is monolithic and almost impossible to defeat. They propose alternatives.
Good work there, kiddoes.
15 Dec 12
Originally posted by SoothfastJust to support: I have a Dutch friend who independently said the same thing -- that America ignores training in trades.
You've got your own grand ideas, such as adopting aspects of Germany's education system, and in particular the apprenticeship system that teaches skills in trades.
I've observed that it's especially damaging for boys who would like to work with their hands and would be gifted at it. Such kids easily get bored with the current high school curriculum of endless "talk-talk". We even go so far as to diagnose lots of these boys as ADHD.
I took shop classes in junior high (1974-5?) -- it was required for all boys. One year of woodworking and one year of metalworking. I thoroughly enjoyed both and learned a lot of valuable lessons which I still use today when I am fixing something or working on a project.
15 Dec 12
Originally posted by sasquatch672You stick with me Sasquatch and you'll learn that it is we who should shape the systems in which we live, and not the other way around.
You know, interesting. I get on the case of ATY, Moon, rwing, and SF for not constraining their ideas to those that fit within this system. I think the system is monolithic and almost impossible to defeat. They propose alternatives.
Good work there, kiddoes.
15 Dec 12
Originally posted by rwingettI admit - I live inside the system. The harsher way of saying that is I'm part of the problem. I'm not an ass-kisser - rules were made to be broken. I guess I made a choice. I wanted to be financially successful, and I chose to navigate the seas rather than try to part them. I lived in Europe for a while, and I saw the positives and negatives of a European-style government.
You stick with me Sasquatch and you'll learn that it is we who should shape the systems in which we live, and not the other way around.
The ship of state turns slowly, and change, if it comes, comes inches at a time. As it should - societal stability depends on it. There are ways to try big ideas - experiments in communities. I think urban farming is brilliant, by the way. It's been successfully implemented in Braddock, PA. I know the mayor - Harvard educated, seven feet tall, all kinds of tattoos. He's a neat guy and is willing to talk to anybody. If you're interested, I can ask him for an hour sometime.
15 Dec 12
Originally posted by sasquatch672I argued with rwingett in the thread on Detroit, not to diminish urban farming, but to warn of the difficulties of actually doing it.
I admit - I live inside the system. The harsher way of saying that is I'm part of the problem. I'm not an ass-kisser - rules were made to be broken. I guess I made a choice. I wanted to be financially successful, and I chose to navigate the seas rather than try to part them. I lived in Europe for a while, and I saw the positives and negatives of a ...[text shortened]... d is willing to talk to anybody. If you're interested, I can ask him for an hour sometime.
Right now, a guy wants to plant hardwood trees thousands of them on vacant East Side lots. City council is as usual quibbling about how much they get out of it, when at present they are getting nothing.
I don't know the details of the plan, but it would seem that a lot of cleanup and reclamation work ought to be done before the planting, to be sure that the trees flourish. Sewers, old streets, sidewalks and alleys wouldn't seem to be helpful for big trees to develop root systems. The comes the question, what about the harvest? In the case of trees it could be 30 years or more into the future. What is the city council of the future going to say about the agreements laid down today?
I can only go by past history. When casinos were first OKed by council, they squeezed for as much as they thought they could extract. A couple of years later, the casinos were too successful for their own good, and the council came back for another dip.
15 Dec 12
Originally posted by normbenignDetroit is hopeless. The overall idea is to manage the decline and confine the violence to the gangs. It's all you can do. They don't even have a Democrat agenda. They have an entitlement agenda. I exclude Detroit from the Democrat Party because while Democrat ideas ultimately caused its demise, there isn't even recognizable political thought up there anymore, only what coffer can be looted to throw into the government maw.
I argued with rwingett in the thread on Detroit, not to diminish urban farming, but to warn of the difficulties of actually doing it.
Right now, a guy wants to plant hardwood trees thousands of them on vacant East Side lots. City council is as usual quibbling about how much they get out of it, when at present they are getting nothing.
I don't know t ...[text shortened]... the casinos were too successful for their own good, and the council came back for another dip.
15 Dec 12
Originally posted by sasquatch672Definitely resembles the Atlas Shrugged scenario.
Detroit is hopeless. The overall idea is to manage the decline and confine the violence to the gangs. It's all you can do. They don't even have a Democrat agenda. They have an entitlement agenda. I exclude Detroit from the Democrat Party because while Democrat ideas ultimately caused its demise, there isn't even recognizable political thought up there anymore, only what coffer can be looted to throw into the government maw.