Please turn on javascript in your browser to play chess.
Debates Forum

Debates Forum

  1. 15 Dec '12 04:53
    Done.
  2. Standard member Soothfast
    0,1,1,2,3,5,8,13,21,
    15 Dec '12 05:23
    Originally posted by shiloh
    Done.
    It's a rare commodity anyway.
  3. Standard member sasquatch672
    Don't Like It Leave
    15 Dec '12 06:12
    Originally posted by shiloh
    Done.
    You know, interesting. I get on the case of ATY, Moon, rwing, and SF for not constraining their ideas to those that fit within this system. I think the system is monolithic and almost impossible to defeat. They propose alternatives.

    Good work there, kiddoes.
  4. Standard member Soothfast
    0,1,1,2,3,5,8,13,21,
    15 Dec '12 06:25
    Originally posted by sasquatch672
    You know, interesting. I get on the case of ATY, Moon, rwing, and SF for not constraining their ideas to those that fit within this system. I think the system is monolithic and almost impossible to defeat. They propose alternatives.

    Good work there, kiddoes.
    You've got your own grand ideas, such as adopting aspects of Germany's education system, and in particular the apprenticeship system that teaches skills in trades.
  5. Standard member sasquatch672
    Don't Like It Leave
    15 Dec '12 07:43
    Originally posted by Soothfast
    You've got your own grand ideas, such as adopting aspects of Germany's education system, and in particular the apprenticeship system that teaches skills in trades.
    The only thing that happened today is that five-year-olds were shot. Shot. Awful day.
  6. 15 Dec '12 09:16
    And Auto-Tune.
  7. Standard member spruce112358
    Democracy Advocate
    15 Dec '12 13:04
    Originally posted by Soothfast
    You've got your own grand ideas, such as adopting aspects of Germany's education system, and in particular the apprenticeship system that teaches skills in trades.
    Just to support: I have a Dutch friend who independently said the same thing -- that America ignores training in trades.

    I've observed that it's especially damaging for boys who would like to work with their hands and would be gifted at it. Such kids easily get bored with the current high school curriculum of endless "talk-talk". We even go so far as to diagnose lots of these boys as ADHD.

    I took shop classes in junior high (1974-5?) -- it was required for all boys. One year of woodworking and one year of metalworking. I thoroughly enjoyed both and learned a lot of valuable lessons which I still use today when I am fixing something or working on a project.
  8. Donation rwingett
    Ming the Merciless
    15 Dec '12 13:32
    Originally posted by sasquatch672
    You know, interesting. I get on the case of ATY, Moon, rwing, and SF for not constraining their ideas to those that fit within this system. I think the system is monolithic and almost impossible to defeat. They propose alternatives.

    Good work there, kiddoes.
    You stick with me Sasquatch and you'll learn that it is we who should shape the systems in which we live, and not the other way around.
  9. 15 Dec '12 14:20 / 2 edits
    Originally posted by Soothfast
    It's a rare commodity anyway.
    yeah a ban on independant thought would only have an affect on a few people planet wide.
    It certainly wouldn't do anything to me.
  10. 15 Dec '12 14:41
    Originally posted by shiloh
    Done.
    You should start your own blog.
  11. Standard member sasquatch672
    Don't Like It Leave
    15 Dec '12 20:04
    Originally posted by rwingett
    You stick with me Sasquatch and you'll learn that it is we who should shape the systems in which we live, and not the other way around.
    I admit - I live inside the system. The harsher way of saying that is I'm part of the problem. I'm not an ass-kisser - rules were made to be broken. I guess I made a choice. I wanted to be financially successful, and I chose to navigate the seas rather than try to part them. I lived in Europe for a while, and I saw the positives and negatives of a European-style government.

    The ship of state turns slowly, and change, if it comes, comes inches at a time. As it should - societal stability depends on it. There are ways to try big ideas - experiments in communities. I think urban farming is brilliant, by the way. It's been successfully implemented in Braddock, PA. I know the mayor - Harvard educated, seven feet tall, all kinds of tattoos. He's a neat guy and is willing to talk to anybody. If you're interested, I can ask him for an hour sometime.
  12. 15 Dec '12 20:05
    Originally posted by Soothfast
    It's a rare commodity anyway.
    As demonstrated by most of your postings.
  13. 15 Dec '12 20:16
    Originally posted by sasquatch672
    I admit - I live inside the system. The harsher way of saying that is I'm part of the problem. I'm not an ass-kisser - rules were made to be broken. I guess I made a choice. I wanted to be financially successful, and I chose to navigate the seas rather than try to part them. I lived in Europe for a while, and I saw the positives and negatives of a ...[text shortened]... d is willing to talk to anybody. If you're interested, I can ask him for an hour sometime.
    I argued with rwingett in the thread on Detroit, not to diminish urban farming, but to warn of the difficulties of actually doing it.

    Right now, a guy wants to plant hardwood trees thousands of them on vacant East Side lots. City council is as usual quibbling about how much they get out of it, when at present they are getting nothing.

    I don't know the details of the plan, but it would seem that a lot of cleanup and reclamation work ought to be done before the planting, to be sure that the trees flourish. Sewers, old streets, sidewalks and alleys wouldn't seem to be helpful for big trees to develop root systems. The comes the question, what about the harvest? In the case of trees it could be 30 years or more into the future. What is the city council of the future going to say about the agreements laid down today?

    I can only go by past history. When casinos were first OKed by council, they squeezed for as much as they thought they could extract. A couple of years later, the casinos were too successful for their own good, and the council came back for another dip.
  14. Standard member sasquatch672
    Don't Like It Leave
    15 Dec '12 20:24
    Originally posted by normbenign
    I argued with rwingett in the thread on Detroit, not to diminish urban farming, but to warn of the difficulties of actually doing it.

    Right now, a guy wants to plant hardwood trees thousands of them on vacant East Side lots. City council is as usual quibbling about how much they get out of it, when at present they are getting nothing.

    I don't know t ...[text shortened]... the casinos were too successful for their own good, and the council came back for another dip.
    Detroit is hopeless. The overall idea is to manage the decline and confine the violence to the gangs. It's all you can do. They don't even have a Democrat agenda. They have an entitlement agenda. I exclude Detroit from the Democrat Party because while Democrat ideas ultimately caused its demise, there isn't even recognizable political thought up there anymore, only what coffer can be looted to throw into the government maw.
  15. 15 Dec '12 22:10
    Originally posted by sasquatch672
    Detroit is hopeless. The overall idea is to manage the decline and confine the violence to the gangs. It's all you can do. They don't even have a Democrat agenda. They have an entitlement agenda. I exclude Detroit from the Democrat Party because while Democrat ideas ultimately caused its demise, there isn't even recognizable political thought up there anymore, only what coffer can be looted to throw into the government maw.
    Definitely resembles the Atlas Shrugged scenario.