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Originally posted by mbakuninThat was the Soviet strategy in the 1980's. How did that turn out?
what is needed is a military presence, in combination with humanitarian work. BUT, military presence only as a way of securing the areas in which the aid organisations work. only by actually improving living conditions for the average afghani can the taleban be beaten. people who have comfortable lives don't follow extremists.
edit: one surprising fact i ...[text shortened]... er at coordinating their military and the civilian aid organisations, than are the nato forces.
Afghanistan cannot be ruled by a central government which needs foreign troops to survive.
In fact, there's significant doubt that Afghanistan can be ruled by a central government at all.
Originally posted by WheelyThe US has simply got to learn to support regimes longer than her own self interest in propping them up in the first place. While ole Rusky was getting its butt kicked courtesy of unca sam armory we all thought the Afghany"s were modern day patriots. But no relationship survives long term neglect and patchy follow through.
Don´t get me wrong I really, really didn´t like the Taliban but someday the US has to work out that interfering with other countries sovereignty always back fires in the end.
Originally posted by PalynkaAnd the purpose of this would be what exactly? To concede the battle to the taliban? While raping as many extremely young afghan women as possible? Those seem to be the UN's major competencies.
Would anyone oppose a UN force (like the K-For in Kosovo) replacing the US troops?
Originally posted by Sam The ShamAfghanistan has been a hell hole since the Muhammadans and Huns destroyed the remnants of the Maurya Empire civilization in 500 AD.
Can't have girls learning, can we? What a delightful culture. Celebrate diversity.
However, ironically probably, girls could go to school there when the Soviet's were in charge...
Originally posted by shavixmirSoviets didn't have anything to do with it, the ban on women being educated and having jobs, etc, took place when the Taliban took over.
Afghanistan has been a hell hole since the Muhammadans and Huns destroyed the remnants of the Maurya Empire civilization in 500 AD.
However, ironically probably, girls could go to school there when the Soviet's were in charge...
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Originally posted by shavixmirActually no.
Afghanistan has been a hell hole since the Muhammadans and Huns destroyed the remnants of the Maurya Empire civilization in 500 AD.
Kabul was recognized being very Europized in the beginning of the last century. Women were treated as in any other European city.
Originally posted by FabianFnasTrue. Women were allowed to have positions as physicians, teachers, etc., then when the taliban took over, those that didn't escape were not allowed to have jobs, were forced to put on the horse blanket when in public, stay home unless a male relative accompanied them, and basically remain shut-ins and starve if they didn't have any family. I believe almost half of the doctors in Afghanistan were women before the Taliban. I'd imagine a lot of them went insane or committed suicide after the Taliban took over.
Actually no.
Kabul was recognized being very Europized in the beginning of the last century. Women were treated as in any other European city.
Originally posted by Sam The ShamThank goodness it's all fixed now.
True. Women were allowed to have positions as physicians, teachers, etc., then when the taliban took over, those that didn't escape were not allowed to have jobs, were forced to put on the horse blanket when in public, stay home unless a male relative accompanied them, and basically remain shut-ins and starve if they didn't have any family. I believe al ...[text shortened]... ban. I'd imagine a lot of them went insane or committed suicide after the Taliban took over.
Originally posted by Sam The ShamCorrect. This was part of the legacy of the People's Democratic Party of Afghanistan which came to power in 1978. It was backed by the Soviets. The factions that the U.S. backed in the ensuing civil war (which included Al-Qaeda) were and are the very factions (from which the Taliban emerged dominant once the U.S. skipped town, thinking its interests had been served) who insisted that women were... "...not allowed to have jobs, were forced to put on the horse blanket when in public, stay home unless a male relative accompanied them, and basically remain shut-ins and starve if they didn't have any family..." as you yourself put it in your post, ironically.
I believe almost half of the doctors in Afghanistan were women before the Taliban.
Originally posted by EladarHaha! Good god, that is the most idiotic thing I've read here in weeks.
[b]Don´t get me wrong I really, really didn´t like the Taliban but someday the US has to work out that interfering with other countries sovereignty always back fires in the end
If terrorists are working from within the country at will, then either the government of the country has not sovereign within its own borders, or the government supports the ter ...[text shortened]... us.
If you don't want your country invaded, do something about the terrorists before we do.[/b]
So a very poor country can't keep terrorists at bay working from within it's borders and the Us invades?
Instead of helping Afganistan with money, expertise and intelligence, you decide to start bombing schools? Wonderful.
I've said this before and I'll say it again - your type of arrogance is going to turn EVERYONE against you and one of these days the mighty US of A is going to look around and see only scowls, frowns and weapons pointed at it.
Thank god Obama might lead you guys into thew light, because another dubya would've meant WW3 - and I still want to see the Grand Canyon before it becomes The Grand Bunker.
