26 Aug 12
Originally posted by KazetNagorraThe incentives say they wont. Cops operate under a protective shield of legal responsibility much more so than ordinary citizens. Lots of armed citizens spend thousands of their own money to attend schools which make them expert at firearms and the legal aspects of self defense or crime prevention.
Armed citizens won't skip training and qualifying? Don't you think that if the police is ill-trained in the use of firearms, they should be better trained?
To be fair a few cops do as well, but my experience is that veteran cops take great pride in not ever using their gun.
26 Aug 12
Originally posted by normbenignYour thinking is always bizarre. IF trained policemen can wildly shoot and wound 9 bystanders when confronting one gunmen, what would you expect the result to be with armed citizens opening fire?
http://www.statesman.com/news/nation/bystanders-wounds-in-new-york-shooting-caused-by-2442495.html
Veteran cops who admit to never having their gun out of its holster on duty, and probably skipped training and qualifying.
26 Aug 12
Originally posted by normbenignOn this forum, on more than one thread, you've reserved the right to turn your gun on people like the police if you personally deem it necessary and if you feel the need to do the "unpleasant but necessary job" - as you put it - of killing state or federal employees. In light of this, are you comfortable with the police being well trained?
The incentives say they wont. Cops operate under a protective shield of legal responsibility much more so than ordinary citizens. Lots of armed citizens spend thousands of their own money to attend schools which make them expert at firearms and the legal aspects of self defense or crime prevention.
To be fair a few cops do as well, but my experience is that veteran cops take great pride in not ever using their gun.
26 Aug 12
Originally posted by normbenignYeah the average armed citizen is a superman.
The incentives say they wont. Cops operate under a protective shield of legal responsibility much more so than ordinary citizens. Lots of armed citizens spend thousands of their own money to attend schools which make them expert at firearms and the legal aspects of self defense or crime prevention.
To be fair a few cops do as well, but my experience is that veteran cops take great pride in not ever using their gun.
I guess we could save the $700 billion we spend on the armed forces; our "expert" ordinary citizens can probably shoot better than a Navy Seal according to this "logic".
26 Aug 12
Originally posted by FMFI am quite comfortable with well trained cops, as long as their training includes an understanding of their limitations under the Constitution.
On this forum, on more than one thread, you've reserved the right to turn your gun on people like the police if you personally deem it necessary and if you feel the need to do the "unpleasant but necessary job" - as you put it - of killing state or federal employees. In light of this, are you comfortable with the police being well trained?
Originally posted by no1marauderMost of those special forces operatives become ordinary citizens when they finish their tours of duty.
Yeah the average armed citizen is a superman.
I guess we could save the $700 billion we spend on the armed forces; our "expert" ordinary citizens can probably shoot better than a Navy Seal according to this "logic".
26 Aug 12
Originally posted by normbenignWell their understanding of your take on the Constitution probably means they are fully aware that there are people with your mindset who reserve the right to kill them for a reason and at a time of your own choosing.
I am quite comfortable with well trained cops, as long as their training includes an understanding of their limitations under the Constitution.
Originally posted by normbenignSo you mean that it is safer for civilians to shoot people they deem to be criminals than it is for the police to handle it? Or are you just talking about civilians who are "special forces operatives [who have] become ordinary citizens" and comparing them to some police who haven't shot anyone or have skipped training? From this you get Well trained police are [NOT] safer than armed citizens?
Think about it. You'll figure it out without me holding your hand. There is nothing mystical here.