@no1marauder saidThis phenomenon I suspect has something to do with the sunk-cost fallacy. The majority opposed the war, but since it's a fact that the war is on, it should be seen through to some satisfactory conclusion to avoid it being "all a waste"—not to mention a humiliation on the world stage.
A side bet; when the polls are done, a majority, probably a significant majority, will oppose the agreement even though they opposed the war.
@moonbus saidTrump got drunk with his success in Venezuela kidnapping Maduro, and decided to take on Iran. Whoopsie daisy.
@Soothfast
It took John Kerry's team 18 months to conclude the previous treaty with Iran. Trump tore it up with the ludicrous excuse that it did not encompass a comprehensive restriction on Iran's state support of exported terrorism. That had nothing to do with Iran's nuclear programme; a separate treaty could have been negotiated regarding Iran's support of exported terro ...[text shortened]... nuclear treaty intact. But no, Trump simply wanted to erase Obama's legacy, such a petty man is he.
There's no way Trump could stand 18 months of negotiations over anything. MAGA is all about instant gratification. "Move fast and break things." Any failure is answered with some new distraction.
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@Soothfast saidIs iran now nuclear bomb capable? or anywhere near it?
https://www.cnn.com/2026/06/17/politics/how-to-read-us-iran-agreement-mcgurk-analysis
[quote]How to read the US-Iran draft agreement: Big commitments from Washington, not from Tehran
Brett McGurk is a CNN global affairs analyst who served in senior national security positions under Presidents George W. Bush, Barack Obama, Donald Trump and Joe Biden.
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@Mott-The-Hoople saidGuess their capability is still "obliterated" like it was last June.
Is iran now nuclear bomb capable? or anywhere near it?
@no1marauder saidSo Trump neutered your hero?
Guess their capability is still "obliterated" like it was last June.
@Mott-The-Hoople saidIran has never sought a nuclear weapon. They could have for 30 years and didn't. Israel’s Benjamin Netanyahu has warned of an imminent threat from an Iranian nuclear bomb for more than 30 years. Maybe Benjamin Netanyahu has been lying for over 30 years. Take your pick. Never sought one or Bibi was a lying POS for 30 years. Which one do you think it is?
Is iran now nuclear bomb capable? or anywhere near it?
https://www.aljazeera.com/gallery/2025/6/18/the-history-of-netanyahus-rhetoric-on-irans-nuclear-ambitions
@Soothfast saidThere is a 60-day negotiation period aimed at securing a final agreement on Iran's nuclear program. And since Israel is continuing to bomb and occupy Lebanon that is unlikely to happen. Iran has closed the strait of Hormuz again because of it. The deal has been violated and Trump is pretending he cannot make Israel pull out of Lebanon the way Reagan did in the 80s. All Trump has to do is stop sending free weapons to Israel if they don't cease fire with Lebanon. Rumors of Trump's helplessness to control Netanyahu are fake news.
https://www.cnn.com/2026/06/17/politics/how-to-read-us-iran-agreement-mcgurk-analysis
[quote]How to read the US-Iran draft agreement: Big commitments from Washington, not from Tehran
Brett McGurk is a CNN global affairs analyst who served in senior national security positions under Presidents George W. Bush, Barack Obama, Donald Trump and Joe Biden.
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As for your assertion that the son of the former supreme leader Trump and Netanyahu assassinated being more radical than his father that is total BS. Trump and Netanyahu also killed his wife and daughter. Imagine your father, wife and daughter being killed in a bombing and you are wounded and lucky to survive it. How furious would you be? If that makes a person radical you would be radical too, but they failed to get the son. They screwed up bigly.
He is not radical, he is furious Trump killed his father, wife and daughter as anyone would be. But rather than admit their huge failure and made things worse they make up crap about him being more radical and never explain why. His father would have died from old age soon enough, but they hastened his son becoming supreme leader and he naturally hates Trump and Netanyahu. It is a huge failure those 2 creeps will never admit to, so they call they guy that hates them a radical. And this is understandable hate. You cannot just kill a guy's father, wife and daughter and expect him to just get over it.
@Soothfast saidBingo--Trump is a quick-fix sort of guy. Not a long-game kind of guy.
Trump got drunk with his success in Venezuela kidnapping Maduro, and decided to take on Iran. Whoopsie daisy.
There's no way Trump could stand 18 months of negotiations over anything. MAGA is all about instant gratification. "Move fast and break things." Any failure is answered with some new distraction.
Persia was an empire thousands of years before Christ. Those people know how to wait. The war won't be over when Trump takes his ball & goes home. The war will be over when the last family which lost a daughter in the girls' school bombing feels avenged. That might be 70 years from now.
@no1marauder saidOh, where is Wm. O. Douglas, now that America needs him !
I don't have any "heroes".
@Soothfast saidOh, gosh no, sir.
That darned ol' Netanyahoo. Why, he's acting just like a terrorist, ain't he?
Netenyahoo only sounds like trailer trash, he infact, a man of peace.
Actually peace is spelled piece and the piece he wants is called Palestine and Lebanon.
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@Soothfast saidSo, Iran agrees not to produce nuclear weapons itself, but no mention is made of acquiring nuclear weapons already produced from some third-party – such as North Korea. A significant weakening of the agreement which the Obama administration reached.
https://www.cnn.com/2026/06/17/politics/how-to-read-us-iran-agreement-mcgurk-analysis
[quote]How to read the US-Iran draft agreement: Big commitments from Washington, not from Tehran
Brett McGurk is a CNN global affairs analyst who served in senior national security positions under Presidents George W. Bush, Barack Obama, Donald Trump and Joe Biden.
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EDIT: it must now be asked whether this is a deliberately provided loophole for Iran to acquire nuclear weapons, or an incompetent blunder?
@Soothfast saidNow that a few days have passed, do you want to comment on your propaganda article being dead wrong?
https://www.cnn.com/2026/06/17/politics/how-to-read-us-iran-agreement-mcgurk-analysis
[quote]How to read the US-Iran draft agreement: Big commitments from Washington, not from Tehran
Brett McGurk is a CNN global affairs analyst who served in senior national security positions under Presidents George W. Bush, Barack Obama, Donald Trump and Joe Biden.
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@Mott-The-Hoople saidStill a bad deal where US interests were harmed by the war effort. What specific parts were "dead wrong"?
Now that a few days have passed, do you want to comment on your propaganda article being dead wrong?