@Rajk999 saidcareful now...you will get a weird sexual insult flung at you!
You cannot even make a proper point. The Golan Heights is critical to Israels security, both military and water resources. Israel took control of that area in 1967, and despite efforts to remove Israel from that area, Israel retained control.
@Mott-The-Hoople saidThe mans vocabulary is limited ... he is pitiful.
careful now...you will get a weird sexual insult flung at you!
@sh76 saidWhy does Israel care about the Druze?
You probably didn't notice, but Syrian Islamists have been murdering, persecuting and setting fire to Druze homes in the last week. The Druze death toll seems to be at least 60, but maybe over 100, depending on who you ask.
I can hardly even cite it, since even if you now go and search for news stories, most of what you are going to see is that the Druze died in "clashes" and ...[text shortened]... n the background in the afternoon at work. Nothing yesterday on it that I noticed.
I wonder why.
Is Israel allied with the Druze? If so, why? How?
Is Druze a religion or a race?
If the Syrian leader is a bad person why did the US government lift the bounty they had on him?
https://www.newsweek.com/us-remove-bounty-syrian-leader-al-qaeda-2004650
@shavixmir saidGotta love the RHPS reference.
Uh… yeah… you seem to grasp the political situation on about the same scale as a 3 year old chimp comprehends quantum mechanics… nay… gravity…
Seriously. Just what do you think Israel is achieving?
Oh, please, blind us with your knowledge of what the Syrian Bedouin and Druze communities want. And why Israel is hell bent on making matters worse.
Oh, I shover in antic ...[text shortened]... uations and acceptable solutions which could be attempted.
Oh, come on, share yer wisdom with us!
@Metal-Brain saidBecause the Druze are loyal and productive Israeli citizens and it's their relatives who were unlucky enough to be stuck on the wrong side of the border after '67 that are being persecuted now.
Why does Israel care about the Druze?
Is Israel allied with the Druze? If so, why? How?
Is Druze a religion or a race?
If the Syrian leader is a bad person why did the US government lift the bounty they had on him?
https://www.newsweek.com/us-remove-bounty-syrian-leader-al-qaeda-2004650
I suppose it's a faith, though the difference between a faith and an ethnicity is very blurred, especially in the middle east.
@sh76 saidAccording to the history and also some handed down informaton, the Druze are the descendents of Moses's father in law, Jethro, who was a Midianite, descendents of Midian the son of Abraham. According to the bible [which I know you dont care for], these are not enemies historically, but allies from the very beginning, and so they remain. The Druze rejected Islam and were never Muslims. However I am not sure they are Israeli citizens, because they rejected that offer and instead accepted some kind of ID that would give them the right to live and move around freely, while maintaining their separate identity as Druze and not Israeli citizens. Need to read up on that.
Because the Druze are loyal and productive Israeli citizens and it's their relatives who were unlucky enough to be stuck on the wrong side of the border after '67 that are being persecuted now.
I suppose it's a faith, though the difference between a faith and an ethnicity is very blurred, especially in the middle east.
The enemies of the Jews even from when Rebecca conceived, was Esau [father of the Edomites], who fought with Jacob in the womb. All nonsensical bible stories, but strangely true.
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@sh76 saidStuck on the wrong side of the border? Why did Israel allow that to happen?
Because the Druze are loyal and productive Israeli citizens and it's their relatives who were unlucky enough to be stuck on the wrong side of the border after '67 that are being persecuted now.
I suppose it's a faith, though the difference between a faith and an ethnicity is very blurred, especially in the middle east.
Why does Israel care about the Druze?
Is Israel allied with the Druze? If so, why? How?
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@Rajk999 saidLMAO! A long time ago, I started a thread in Spirituality with the OP specifically discussing Numbers 31.
According to the history and also some handed down informaton, the Druze are the descendents of Moses's father in law, Jethro, who was a Midianite, descendents of Midian the son of Abraham. According to the bible [which I know you dont care for], these are not enemies historically, but allies from the very beginning, and so they remain. The Druze rejected Islam and were ne ...[text shortened]... he Edomites], who fought with Jacob in the womb. All nonsensical bible stories, but strangely true.
I suggest you read it and then rethink your "these are not enemies historically, but allies from the very beginning, and so they remain. " line.
EDIT: "17 Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has known man intimately. 18 But all the girls who have not known man intimately, spare for yourselves. 19"
Your kind of folks.
@Metal-Brain saidIts simple. Good people tend to gravitate towards other good people.
Stuck on the wrong side of the border? Why did Israel allow that to happen?
Why does Israel care about the Druze?
Is Israel allied with the Druze? If so, why? How?
So I like the Jews, and the Jews like the Druze, and we all like Americans
Conversely evil people tend to gravitate toward other evil people.
You like Russia, you like Islam, the Arabs, you like terrorists.
Proof of all of that is you hate good people.
@sh76 saidYou really are incredibly brainwashed.
Because the Druze are loyal and productive Israeli citizens and it's their relatives who were unlucky enough to be stuck on the wrong side of the border after '67 that are being persecuted now.
I suppose it's a faith, though the difference between a faith and an ethnicity is very blurred, especially in the middle east.
There are far more Druze in Syria than Israel (about 5 times as many even including Golan in the latter) and about twice as many Druze in Lebanon as Israel. They weren't "stuck on the side of the border" unless you think Israel should have grabbed even more land in 1967 in violation of the UN Charter.
Syria is recovering from a long, brutal civil war and it's understandable that the central government would like to integrate ethnic militias into the nation's security forces (how many armed ethnic militias are allowed in Israel?). The Druze's refusal to agree to that up to now is a major sticking point. Still, it's none of Israel's business and obviously just another unjustified interference in another country with the aim of keeping Syria weak and divided by Netanyahu and his criminal accomplices.
@no1marauder saidIn the early days of Moses, the Midianites encouraged the Jews to sin, ie worship idols, have sexual interractions contrary to Gods laws. As nations they were close if one group could have influenced the other to sin ie they lived close to each other, unlike the descendents of Jacob and the descendents of Esau, who had very little to do with each other.
LMAO! A long time ago, I started a thread in Spirituality with the OP specifically discussing Numbers 31.
I suggest you read it and then rethink your "these are not enemies historically, but allies from the very beginning, and so they remain. " line.
EDIT: "17 Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has known man intimately. 18 ...[text shortened]... ut all the girls who have not known man intimately, spare for yourselves. 19"
Your kind of folks.
But I take your point. They were clearly not on good terms when God told Moses to kill them.
@Rajk999 saidOr maybe the Israelites were "evil people" justifying mass murder and rape by inventing an anthropomorphic God who said such things were just peachy.
In the early days of Moses, the Midianites encouraged the Jews to sin, ie worship idols, have sexual interractions contrary to Gods laws. As nations they were close if one group could have influenced the other to sin ie they lived close to each other, unlike the descendents of Jacob and the descendents of Esau, who had very little to do with each other.
But I take your point. They were clearly not on good terms when God told Moses to kill them.
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@Rajk999 saidYitzhak Shamir was a leader of the Zionist militant group Lehi, also known as the Stern Gang. Israelis elected a known terrorist to be prime minister of Israel. Avraham Stern and Shamir sought an alliance with Fascist Italy and Nazi Germany and formed the breakaway militia group Lehi. You are so full of crap!
Its simple. Good people tend to gravitate towards other good people.
So I like the Jews, and the Jews like the Druze, and we all like Americans
Conversely evil people tend to gravitate toward other evil people.
You like Russia, you like Islam, the Arabs, you like terrorists.
Proof of all of that is you hate good people.
Why don't you move to Israel? It is silly to support a Jewish homeland and not live there. Jews clearly do not need Israel to thrive. If they did most Jews would move there and they don't.
Most Zionists are armchair Zionists. They support what they never make use of.
@no1marauder saidMaybe this and maybe that. All we can do now, 4 thousand years after, is speculate and rely on what the lifestyle and divine instructions were at that time.
Or maybe the Israelites were "evil people" justifying mass murder and rape by inventing an anthropomorphic God who said such things were just peachy.
Here is God's instruction to the Jews on the taking of female prisoners of war. Apparently, you have to WAIT ONE MONTH. Then you must MARRY THEM FIRST. Clearly that removes the possibility of rape.
When thou goest forth to war against thine enemies, and the LORD thy God hath delivered them into thine hands, and thou hast taken them captive, And seest among the captives a beautiful woman, and hast a desire unto her, that thou wouldest have her to thy wife; Then thou shalt bring her home to thine house; and she shall shave her head, and pare her nails; And she shall put the raiment of her captivity from off her, and shall remain in thine house, and bewail her father and her mother a full month: and after that thou shalt go in unto her, and be her husband, and she shall be thy wife. And it shall be, if thou have no delight in her, then thou shalt let her go whither she will; but thou shalt not sell her at all for money, thou shalt not make merchandise of her, because thou hast humbled her. (Deu 21:10-14 KJV)
Im pretty sure that the Quran and Haddith does no such thing. If it does please provide some reference.
@sh76
Why did the US government remove the bounty on this guy's head?
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/israeli-leaders-call-syrian-presidents-assassination