What about the Druze?

@Rajk999 said
That is usually the response from the worst of the lot.

It is the truth dude. Most wars were fought because of religion.

@Rajk999 said
Would you say that the native Indian population in the US & Canada, around 1500 estimated at about 10 million, own the entire continent of North America, and is it wrong for Europeans to enter and colonize the land.

My view is that land and control of land is critical, otherwise the quality of your life would be substandard if the wrong people have control.

Eg, if the A ...[text shortened]... aza and the West Bank. Some cultures are backward as they lack the drive [and brains] to progresss.

This type of ignorant racism, where some groups are inherently superior to others and thus can commit any crimes against "inferior" groups they please, is the cornerstone of your belief system. Can you name a political movement that thought the same thing in say Germany?

It is impossible to know what would have happened IF Europeans hadn't rushed in to conquer the Americas rather than establish mutual beneficial trade and diplomatic relations. Some cities in the Americas like Tenochtitlan were more advanced then any cities in Europe at the time; the Spanish invaders were amazed when they saw it according to Bernal Diaz's Conquest of New Spain.

@Rajk999 said
I cannot see why you insist on missing the point. Its not about murder and abuse of people. In general there is no society from Adam to now that does not adhere to what you keep calling Natural Law. I am referring to differences in how society functions, and even though all these follow the Natural Law, they have adopted different values.

Eg, in the days of conquest, p ...[text shortened]... to 1960. During this time all European colonial powers, granted independence to all their colonies.

Again you make the systemic error that the actions of emperors, kings and other illegitimate tyrants establish the "values" of a society and that these are seemingly beyond moral questioning.

And again an ignorance or misunderstanding of history. By and large, European powers were forced to grant independence to "colonies" after WWII because of their own weakness and the strength of resistance of the oppressed indigenous People in them, many after prolonged violence. The elites in Europe did not have any epiphany that colonialism was suddenly "wrong" (it always was).

@no1marauder said
This type of ignorant racism, where some groups are inherently superior to others and thus can commit any crimes against "inferior" groups they please, is the cornerstone of your belief system. Can you name a political movement that thought the same thing in say Germany?

It is impossible to know what would have happened IF Europeans hadn't rushed in to conquer the Amer ...[text shortened]... anish invaders were amazed when they saw it according to Bernal Diaz's Conquest of New Spain.

Call it what you want .. figures do not lie, neither are figures and data racist. But people like you are stupid and ignorant. There are some countries with

- Highest corruption index
- Lowest GDP
- High mortality rates
- Low literacy rate

Just about everything in these countries is rundown, unproductive and corrupt, so you go ahead and argue with the figures. I will leave you to it. And before you blame western colonial powers, these countries have been getting aid from these colonial powers to the tune of $100,000,000,000 US, annually and also aid from UN, and help from all international agencies in education, health, infrastructure and other develppment and still they cannot seem to find their way. Most of these funds end up in the bank accounts of corrupt leaders and their families. The countries are plagued with broken homes, disease, fatherless children, AIDS etc.

So yeah its all the fault of the Europeans.

@no1marauder said
Again you make the systemic error that the actions of emperors, kings and other illegitimate tyrants establish the "values" of a society and that these are seemingly beyond moral questioning.

And again an ignorance or misunderstanding of history. By and large, European powers were forced to grant independence to "colonies" after WWII because of their own weakness and t ...[text shortened]... he elites in Europe did not have any epiphany that colonialism was suddenly "wrong" (it always was).

What a load of nonsense. I live in one of these former colonies and there was no fighting, or even any strong desire, to get independence. Many people here were not happy that the British left. Life was better under the British than with a bunch of greedy, uneducated locals trying to run things. Colonies that were small would rather the British stayed and there are colonies in the Caribbean still under the British or under the USA. These islands are generally more prosperous than those who got independence.

@Rajk999 said
Call it what you want .. figures do not lie, neither are figures and data racist. But people like you are stupid and ignorant. There are some countries with

- Highest corruption index
- Lowest GDP
- High mortality rates
- Low literacy rate

Just about everything in these countries is rundown, unproductive and corrupt, so you go ahead and argue with the figures. I w ...[text shortened]... roken homes, disease, fatherless children, AIDS etc.

So yeah its all the fault of the Europeans.

Again, your understanding and knowledge of history is nil.

"The immense economic inequality we observe in the world today didn’t happen overnight, or even in the past century. It is the path-dependent outcome of a multitude of historical processes, one of the most important of which has been European colonialism. Retracing our steps 500 years, or back to the verge of this colonial project, we see little inequality and small differences between poor and rich countries (perhaps a factor of four). Now the differences are a factor of more than 40, if we compare the richest to the poorest countries in the world. What role did colonialism play in this?"

https://cepr.org/voxeu/columns/economic-impact-colonialism

What differences that existed before colonialism are explained in Jared Diamond's excellent book Guns, Germs and Steel (run to your local library and get a copy if you have any desire not to remain ignorant and racist).

@Rajk999 said
What a load of nonsense. I live in one of these former colonies and there was no fighting, or even any strong desire, to get independence. Many people here were not happy that the British left. Life was better under the British than with a bunch of greedy, uneducated locals trying to run things. Colonies that were small would rather the British stayed and there are coloni ...[text shortened]... tish or under the USA. These islands are generally more prosperous than those who got independence.

You should learn your country's history. Thankfully it escaped the violence that marked many countries' eventual independence (it's not like it was a major source of income to the UK like others), but a nationalist movement (the People's National Movement) won the two elections before independence including 2/3 of the seats in 1961. https://trinidadexpress.com/news/local/1-when-why-and-how-did-we-become-an-independent-country/article_85afa3af-c3a6-53f1-82b1-15c6349c7c48.html

@no1marauder said
You should learn your country's history. Thankfully it escaped the violence that marked many countries' eventual independence (it's not like it was a major source of income to the UK like others), but a nationalist movement (the People's National Movement) won the two elections before independence including 2/3 of the seats in 1961. https://trinidadexpress.com/news/loca ...[text shortened]... n-why-and-how-did-we-become-an-independent-country/article_85afa3af-c3a6-53f1-82b1-15c6349c7c48.html

Trinidad had oil resources since early 1900s. Yes it was a source of income for the British, and the British did a good job of developing the islands. PNM ??? ... a waste ful corrupt government.

@no1marauder said
Again, your understanding and knowledge of history is nil.

"The immense economic inequality we observe in the world today didn’t happen overnight, or even in the past century. It is the path-dependent outcome of a multitude of historical processes, one of the most important of which has been European colonialism. [b]Retracing our steps 500 years, or back to the verge ...[text shortened]... (run to your local library and get a copy if you have any desire not to remain ignorant and racist).

The desire to blame the rest of the world for your ailments is the beginning of failure.

@Rajk999 said
The desire to blame the rest of the world for your ailments is the beginning of failure.

"“A generation which ignores history has no past and no future.”

– Robert Heinlein

@no1marauder said
"“A generation which ignores history has no past and no future.”

– Robert Heinlein

Heinlein? Who TF is that? What about the generation that twists or changes the history, and replaces it with lies. You think they have a future? The only way to progress is to come to grips with the truth of what is causing your poverty or underdevelopment and change it. Blaming the colonizers and what happened hundreds of years ago is the pastime of fools.

@Rajk999 said
Heinlein? Who TF is that? What about the generation that twists or changes the history, and replaces it with lies. You think they have a future? The only way to progress is to come to grips with the truth of what is causing your poverty or underdevelopment and change it. Blaming the colonizers and what happened hundreds of years ago is the pastime of fools.

A wiser man than you obviously.

You don't seem to have any useful advice to less developed countries to deal with their problems; I doubt they're interested in letting the "superior" Europeans back to run things.

@no1marauder said
A wiser man than you obviously.

You don't seem to have any useful advice to less developed countries to deal with their problems; I doubt they're interested in letting the "superior" Europeans back to run things.

I already posted useful advice, but you ignored it and continued on discussing the past, and blaming others.