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16 Aug 22
17 Aug 22
@averagejoe1 saidIt’s what you get when years of institutional racism leads to a completely squint representation.
Can you fellers weigh in on this? I assume that we would all be against it???
https://freebeacon.com/latest-news/minnesota-public-schools-changes-rules-to-lay-off-white-teachers-before-minority-teachers/
I personally don’t actually agree with the method they’re choosing, but it is understandable.
And if such a method is chosen, it should have limitations built in, for example: “until representation X is achieved.” Or “for 5 years.” Something like that.
But it’s a rather blunt instrument. And it is rather strange.
Let me expand a little on that:
Normally, when changing things like representation, you do it on the intake side. So, new teachers, when there’s a choice between two candidates who are exactly equal in every respect, you hire the minority candidate… until representation X is achieved.
This option targets the “leaving”. And even then, “the laying off”. Since when are schools sacking teachers in numbers to make a difference? Generally there’s a teacher shortage.
And in so saying, I could argue that it’s window dressing or that the article is rubbish.
17 Aug 22
@averagejoe1 saidOld news, try to keep up.
Can you fellers weigh in on this? I assume that we would all be against it???
https://freebeacon.com/latest-news/minnesota-public-schools-changes-rules-to-lay-off-white-teachers-before-minority-teachers/
Or just join the racists in the other thread talking about how black people aren't smart enough to be teachers.
17 Aug 22
@averagejoe1 saidI'd be against it if the majority white teacher's union didn't volunteer to this, with their stated goal being to make up for past racism that directly lead to lack of diversity in hiring.
Can you fellers weigh in on this? I assume that we would all be against it???
https://freebeacon.com/latest-news/minnesota-public-schools-changes-rules-to-lay-off-white-teachers-before-minority-teachers/
It's not racism if they're agreeing to do it to themselves.
17 Aug 22
@shavixmir saidIs that you, Shav? What a great post. Read it twice.. good stuff
It’s what you get when years of institutional racism leads to a completely squint representation.
I personally don’t actually agree with the method they’re choosing, but it is understandable.
And if such a method is chosen, it should have limitations built in, for example: “until representation X is achieved.” Or “for 5 years.” Something like that.
But it’s a rather ...[text shortened]... rtage.
And in so saying, I could argue that it’s window dressing or that the article is rubbish.
17 Aug 22
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@suzianne saidHey, there you are. Could you respond to that other thread?
Old news, try to keep up.
Or just join the racists in the other thread talking about how black people aren't smart enough to be teachers.
You know...in the interest of keeping up?
17 Aug 22
@averagejoe1 saidDid you miss Vivs inconvenient truth that a majority white teachers union have come up the idea.
Hey, there you are. Could you respond to that other thread?
You know...in the interest of keeping up?
17 Aug 22
@vivify saidOur founding fathers were very concern about the majority imposing taking away the rights of smaller groups even if they voted on things. That is why we have the Bill of Rights. It is racism if you are losing your job because of you race and whether others agreed on this arrangement is completely irrelevant.
I'd be against it if the majority white teacher's union didn't volunteer to this, with their stated goal being to make up for past racism that directly lead to lack of diversity in hiring.
It's not racism if they're agreeing to do it to themselves.
17 Aug 22
@quackquack saidYes you are right. Whites make up a disproportionately marginalized group in America and everything must be done to ensure that their minority rights are not lost!
Our founding fathers were very concern about the majority imposing taking away the rights of smaller groups even if they voted on things. That is why we have the Bill of Rights. It is racism if you are losing your job because of you race and whether others agreed on this arrangement is completely irrelevant.
17 Aug 22
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@quackquack saida) Whites are not "smaller groups"
Our founding fathers were very concern about the majority imposing taking away the rights of smaller groups even if they voted on things. That is why we have the Bill of Rights. It is racism if you are losing your job because of you race and whether others agreed on this arrangement is completely irrelevant.
b) The majority decided to do this to themselves, not to a minority
c) Therefore not "racism".
17 Aug 22
@quackquack saidYou drive home the point that we need an electoral college. Thankyou! No on ever listens to ole AvJoe.
Our founding fathers were very concern about the majority imposing taking away the rights of smaller groups even if they voted on things. That is why we have the Bill of Rights. It is racism if you are losing your job because of you race and whether others agreed on this arrangement is completely irrelevant.
Of course race is not relevant.
17 Aug 22
@vivify saidCould we maybe start with the disproportionate actors on our tv commercials? Gets boring to tell you the truth....
Exactly.
17 Aug 22
@vivify saidIt certainly is racism. If we have a vote and we decide that blacks lose their job and then you (a black person) lose your job you absolutely have a claim of racism.
a) Whites are not "smaller groups"
b) The majority decided to do this to themselves, not to a minority
c) Therefore not "racism".
Similarly, if we have a vote on the same issue and we decided that white people lose their job and then you (white person) lose your job you 100% have the same claim of racism.
All other facts including motive are completely irrelevant and losing your rights because of race should indisputably always be actionable.
17 Aug 22
@quackquack saidThis really is all nutty, you are right.
It certainly is racism. If we have a vote and we decide that blacks lose their job and then you (a black person) lose your job you absolutely have a claim of racism.
Similarly, if we have a vote on the same issue and we decided that white people lose their job and then you (white person) lose your job you 100% have the same claim of racism.
All other facts including mo ...[text shortened]... mpletely irrelevant and losing your rights because of race should indisputably always be actionable.
But, this question ...There are about 9300 shades of black, et al, et al, how do you know what is what? What color what race was the cretin who shot all the children in Austin? How do you know? If they say to fire black people, in your premise, how do you determine who is black, are a little bit black, ,or somewhere in the middle, maybe a white daddy, what is the deal?
I just don't get all this race conversation , never have. Now Culture?!?!?!?? Now That's a problem.