@no1marauder saidMy source was not Zero Hedge, but your source contains false info. This was my source:
It's from the Republican led Senate Intelligence Committee 2020 report.
A bit more reliable than the trash from zerohedge you rely on.
https://www.realclearinvestigations.com/articles/2020/05/13/hidden_over_2_years_dem_cyber-firms_sworn_testimony_it_had_no_proof_of_russian_hack_of_dnc_123596.html
"Crowdstrike president Shawn Henry said that “we did not have concrete evidence” that alleged Russian hackers actually took the emails from DNC servers. “There’s circumstantial evidence, but no evidence that they were actually exfiltrated,” Henry said."
https://thegrayzone.com/2020/05/11/bombshell-crowdstrike-admits-no-evidence-russia-stole-emails-from-dnc-server/amp/
That was Congressional testimony dude. So the Senate knew this at some point. Was it before or after the unintelligence committee 2020 report?
@no1marauder saidThat website is behind a paywall. Please provide another source.
Manafort admitted it: https://www.businessinsider.com/paul-manafort-exclusive-interview-trump-campaign-polling-data-russia-kilimnik-2022-8
Did Manafort know he was a Russian agent? He was living in Ukraine. There are Russians in Ukraine. And are you under the impression that sharing information with a foreigner in a foreign country is illegal?
Even if so where is the collusion? We share info all the time. Is that collusion?
@Metal-Brain saidThis makes no sense. Collusion cannot be a hoax. The investigation was real. The crimes were real. Russia interfered in our election.
Russia collusion is a hoax and always was. There is no evidence of collusion.
Show me the evidence. That is the only way you can prove Russia collusion is not a hoax.
Convictions are meaningless unless Russia is involved. It is called the Russia collusion hoax, not the Manafort cheated on his US taxes hoax. Show me the collusion with Russia.
It is not a hoax.
@Metal-Brain saidDon't start with that BS again; I've debunked it here at least 50 times.
My source was not Zero Hedge, but your source contains false info. This was my source:
https://www.realclearinvestigations.com/articles/2020/05/13/hidden_over_2_years_dem_cyber-firms_sworn_testimony_it_had_no_proof_of_russian_hack_of_dnc_123596.html
"Crowdstrike president Shawn Henry said that “we did not have concrete evidence” that alleged Russian hackers actually ...[text shortened]... the Senate knew this at some point. Was it before or after the unintelligence committee 2020 report?
@Metal-Brain saidhttps://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/paul-manafort-russia-polling-data-b2140727.html
That website is behind a paywall. Please provide another source.
Did Manafort know he was a Russian agent? He was living in Ukraine. There are Russians in Ukraine. And are you under the impression that sharing information with a foreigner in a foreign country is illegal?
Even if so where is the collusion? We share info all the time. Is that collusion?
Yes, there were Russian intelligence agents in Ukraine though I don't know if Mr Kilimnik was at the time.
Yes, sharing information with a foreign government to help their efforts to interfere in the US election is illegal. And that's "collusion" by the definition you already provided.
@wildgrass said"Russia interfered in our election"
This makes no sense. Collusion cannot be a hoax. The investigation was real. The crimes were real. Russia interfered in our election.
It is not a hoax.
How?
@no1marauder saidWhat foreign government? You even said you don't know if Mr Kilimnik was an Agent at the time. And what was so nefarious about sharing info with him? The Steele dossier was written by a British intelligence agent. Then used to obtain a warrant to spy on Carter Page. Isn't that far worse?
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/paul-manafort-russia-polling-data-b2140727.html
Yes, there were Russian intelligence agents in Ukraine though I don't know if Mr Kilimnik was at the time.
Yes, sharing information with a foreign government to help their efforts to interfere in the US election is illegal. And that's "collusion" by the definition you already provided.
It isn't because Kilimnik was a foreign intelligence agent at some point. It is because he is Russian. If the British does the same thing you are fine with it.
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@Metal-Brain saidNo, that's not what I said; I said I didn't know whether he was in Ukraine at the time.
What foreign government? You even said you don't know if Mr Kilimnik was an Agent at the time. And what was so nefarious about sharing info with him? The Steele dossier was written by a British intelligence agent. Then used to obtain a warrant to spy on Carter Page. Isn't that far worse?
It isn't because Kilimnik was a foreign intelligence agent at some point. It is because he is Russian. If the British does the same thing you are fine with it.
Steele was working for GPS Fusion a US company at the time, not a foreign government.
@no1marauder saidYou are lying again. I just proved you wrong with congressional testimony for the hundredth time. What part of "no evidence" do you not understand?
Don't start with that BS again; I've debunked it here at least 50 times.
"In newly released Congressional testimony, Crowdstrike president Shawn Henry said that “we did not have concrete evidence” that alleged Russian hackers actually took the emails from DNC servers. “There’s circumstantial evidence, but no evidence that they were actually exfiltrated,” Henry said."
https://thegrayzone.com/2020/05/11/bombshell-crowdstrike-admits-no-evidence-russia-stole-emails-from-dnc-server/
@Metal-Brain saidI'm not wasting time with this. I'll just refer, for about the 100th time, to Crowdstrike's article: https://www.crowdstrike.com/en-us/blog/bears-midst-intrusion-democratic-national-committee/
You are lying again. I just proved you wrong with congressional testimony for the hundredth time. What part of "no evidence" do you not understand?
"In newly released Congressional testimony, Crowdstrike president Shawn Henry said that “we did not have concrete evidence” that alleged Russian hackers actually took the emails from DNC servers. “There’s circumstantial evi ...[text shortened]... rayzone.com/2020/05/11/bombshell-crowdstrike-admits-no-evidence-russia-stole-emails-from-dnc-server/
Maybe you might read it this time.
@no1marauder saidThere is a lot you do not know, yet you jump to silly conclusions.
No, that's not what I said; I said I didn't know whether he was in Ukraine at the time.
Steele was working for GPS Fusion a US company at the time, not a foreign government.
"Steele was working for GPS Fusion a US company at the time, not a foreign government"
Neither was that Russian. Get your timeline in order.
I am still waiting for you to tell me what was nefarious about sharing the info you cannot even prove he shared. Why are you evading the question? Because you have nothing. That is why. You are grasping at straws. It is not illegal to talk to foreigners.
@Metal-Brain saidI answered it, you moron. It's illegal to provide information to a foreign government to help it interfere with a US election which is what Manafort did. Why else provide internal campaign data?
There is a lot you do not know, yet you jump to silly conclusions.
"Steele was working for GPS Fusion a US company at the time, not a foreign government"
Neither was that Russian. Get your timeline in order.
I am still waiting for you to tell me what was nefarious about sharing the info you cannot even prove he shared. Why are you evading the question? Because you have nothing. That is why. You are grasping at straws. It is not illegal to talk to foreigners.
@no1marauder saidMaybe you should believe crowdstrike's congressional testimony under oath rather than the lie they have been telling before that. Lying on a website is not illegal. Lying to congress is.
I'm not wasting time with this. I'll just refer, for about the 100th time, to Crowdstrike's article: https://www.crowdstrike.com/en-us/blog/bears-midst-intrusion-democratic-national-committee/
Maybe you might read it this time.
@no1marauder saidIt was a Russian, not a foreign government.
I answered it, you moron. It's illegal to provide information to a foreign government to help it interfere with a US election which is what Manafort did. Why else provide internal campaign data?
Why did Hillary hire a foreign government through Fusion GPS to write the debunked Steele Dossier to obtain a warrant to spy on Carter Page?
@no1marauder said"sharing information with a foreign government to help their efforts to interfere in the US election is illegal. And that's "collusion"
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/paul-manafort-russia-polling-data-b2140727.html
Yes, there were Russian intelligence agents in Ukraine though I don't know if Mr Kilimnik was at the time.
Yes, sharing information with a foreign government to help their efforts to interfere in the US election is illegal. And that's "collusion" by the definition you already provided.
But you have not proven Russia interfered with the US election. You just say it. Prove it.