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  1. Standard member bill718
    Enigma
    05 May '11 20:26 / 2 edits
    I cannot convince myself those in the Government of Pakistan did not know where Osama Bin Laden was when America raided his house and killed him a few days ago. It's clear Bin Laden was living there for quite awhile. With all the billions of dollars in aid the United States shipped to Pakistan in the last decade, it seems it's been money wasted.

    So, where does America stand with Pakistan?
  2. Standard member sh76
    Civis Americanus Sum
    05 May '11 20:51
    Originally posted by bill718
    I cannot convince myself those in the Government of Pakistan did not know where Osama Bin Laden was when America raided his house and killed him a few days ago. It's clear Bin Laden was living there for quite awhile. With all the billions of dollars in aid the United States shipped to Pakistan in the last decade, it seems it's been money wasted.

    So, where does America stand with Pakistan?
    Obviously, the Pakistani government cannot be trusted to altruistically look out for American interests; but the current Pakistani government structure is much better for American interests than are most of the likely alternatives.

    Our support of the current Pakistani government is therefore not at all a "waste."
  3. 05 May '11 20:52
    Originally posted by bill718
    I cannot convince myself those in the Government of Pakistan did not know where Osama Bin Laden was when America raided his house and killed him a few days ago. It's clear Bin Laden was living there for quite awhile. With all the billions of dollars in aid the United States shipped to Pakistan in the last decade, it seems it's been money wasted.

    So, where does America stand with Pakistan?
    Who has room to talk?

    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/10/20/al-qaeda-terror-leader-dined-pentagon-months/

    The Pentagon can but Pakistan can't?
  4. 05 May '11 20:53
    Originally posted by sh76
    Obviously, the Pakistani government cannot be trusted to altruistically look out for American interests; but the current Pakistani government structure is much better for American interests than are most of the likely alternatives.

    Our support of the current Pakistani government is therefore not at all a "waste."
    Apparently we cannot look after our own interests.
  5. 05 May '11 21:46 / 1 edit
    Unless you are willing to wipe countries like Pakistan off the face of the earth, you are going to have to do business with the lesser of two evils.
  6. Standard member finnegan
    GENS UNA SUMUS
    07 May '11 21:23 / 1 edit
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2011/may/07/afghanistan-taliban-america-anatol-lieven

    I thought this was interesting. The writer published a book about Pakistan just recently which looks good. He argues that Americans and the West simply fail to understand how a country like Pakistan works.

    Here he compares the likely American exit strategy from Afghanistan with that of the Russians, already interesting enough, and predicts it will fail because it is driven by American domestic politics, not by appreciating the realities of the region. To be fair though, his track record in predicting what America will do is imperfect, having checked some old articals from 2008 and 2006 which he wrote. But then who is good at predicting?
  7. Subscriber AThousandYoung
    Poor Filipov :,(
    09 May '11 21:03
    Originally posted by bill718
    I cannot convince myself those in the Government of Pakistan did not know where Osama Bin Laden was when America raided his house and killed him a few days ago. It's clear Bin Laden was living there for quite awhile. With all the billions of dollars in aid the United States shipped to Pakistan in the last decade, it seems it's been money wasted.

    So, where does America stand with Pakistan?
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/pakistan/8488236/WikiLeaks-Osama-bin-Laden-protected-by-Pakistani-security.html
  8. Subscriber Scotty70
    Super IT/Telco man
    11 May '11 00:50
    Originally posted by AThousandYoung
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/pakistan/8488236/WikiLeaks-Osama-bin-Laden-protected-by-Pakistani-security.html
    Pakistan is too valuable to dismiss and too dangerous to ignore, especially now that India is now beginning to rear its ugly head into the whole situation.
  9. Standard member wittywonka
    Chocolate Expert
    11 May '11 02:46
    A USA Today article reported today that Pakistan and the U.S. signed an agreement that permitted the U.S. to act unilaterally to assassinate bin Laden in Pakistan, if necessary, on the condition that Pakistan could protest their unilateralism after the fact.

    Politics transcends nations and cultures, it seems.