01 Apr 14
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Now that the ACA has enrolled over 7 million by the deadline, republicans are scrambling to put a spin on all those GOP doomsayer predictions. i e. Death Panels, Mass Layoffs, Skyrocketing Healthcare Costs, They'll Never Get To 7 million, It Will Crash The Economy etc. So....what about it republicans?? Now that you've been proven WRONG at every turn, let the spin and excuses begin!!😏😏😏
http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/the-exchange/5-obamacare-disasters-that-haven-t-happened-162517820.html
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/obamacare-enrollment-one-biggest-comeback-140702702.html;_ylt=A0SO8ws5NztTygQASShXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTBzNDdiaGRkBHNlYwNzYwRjb2xvA2dxMQR2dGlkA1FJMDQ5XzE-
Kick enough people out of their original health insurance and force them to buy yours and you can get better numbers.
How many people have actually paid premiums and how many of those are people that didn't already have insurance before?
You might be interested in reading this:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2014/03/31/rand-only-one-third-of-obamacare-exchange-sign-ups-were-from-the-previously-uninsured/
But then again, maybe you don't like what it says.
02 Apr 14
Originally posted by EladarMaybe you should read it too. One thing it says:
You might be interested in reading this:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2014/03/31/rand-only-one-third-of-obamacare-exchange-sign-ups-were-from-the-previously-uninsured/
But then again, maybe you don't like what it says.
Two caveats. First, we know little about RAND’s survey methodology at this time; we’ll have to see the actual study to see the details of what they did. Second, we don’t know how many previously uninsured people signed up for off-exchange coverage, above and beyond the normal rate of churn that this market would traditionally see.
More significantly, the article ignores the substantial expansion of Medicaid (at least in states where Republicans aren't blocking it), which is getting millions covered who previously had no health care coverage.
02 Apr 14
Originally posted by SoothfastYou mean the same Medicaid that insures that these people will have nothing for their children to inherit?
Maybe you should read it too. One thing it says: [quote]Two caveats. First, we know little about RAND’s survey methodology at this time; we’ll have to see the actual study to see the details of what they did. Second, we don’t know how many previously uninsured people signed up for off-exchange coverage, above and beyond the normal rate of churn that this ...[text shortened]... en't blocking it), which is getting millions covered who previously had no health care coverage.
We'll see how long the Federal government is going to fully fund the Medicaid expansion.
Originally posted by bill718Yeah, all that stuff is still going on. Or will be soon. Obama has rewritten the law 38 times and delayed "mandates" to avoid political consequences. For Democrats. Or hadn't you heard?
Now that the ACA has enrolled over 7 million by the deadline, republicans are scrambling to put a spin on all those GOP doomsayer predictions. i e. Death Panels, Mass Layoffs, Skyrocketing Healthcare Costs, They'll Never Get To 7 million, It Will Crash The Economy etc. So....what about it republicans?? Now that you've been proven WRONG at every turn, let the ...[text shortened]... html;_ylt=A0SO8ws5NztTygQASShXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTBzNDdiaGRkBHNlYwNzYwRjb2xvA2dxMQR2dGlkA1FJMDQ5XzE-
You're just another dimwitted hack for this petty tyrant.
EDIT: And I might suggest to you some subject-verb agreement the next time you're feeling smug.
02 Apr 14
Originally posted by sasquatch672Smug is Bill's baseline state.
Yeah, all that stuff is still going on. Or will be soon. Obama has rewritten the law 38 times and delayed "mandates" to avoid political consequences. For Democrats. Or hadn't you heard?
You're just another dimwitted hack for this petty tyrant.
EDIT: And I might suggest to you some subject-verb agreement the next time you're feeling smug.
02 Apr 14
Originally posted by SleepyguyYou don't get to be smug if you can't speak or write your native tongue. I'm not even asking for advanced concepts like not ending sentences with prepositions. I'm talking about a basic fifth-grade writing level. If I have to put up with his prissy, effeminate style, then it should at least be something a ten-year-old could compose.
Smug is Bill's baseline state.
02 Apr 14
Originally posted by bill718The real numbers are about a million new covered (most likely less, and many enrolled haven't yet paid a first premium), since the 7 million must be reduced by the number who lost their old coverage (which most liked better). Since there were supposed to be 40 million without coverage, how is even 7 million a big success?
Now that the ACA has enrolled over 7 million by the deadline, republicans are scrambling to put a spin on all those GOP doomsayer predictions. i e. Death Panels, Mass Layoffs, Skyrocketing Healthcare Costs, They'll Never Get To 7 million, It Will Crash The Economy etc. So....what about it republicans?? Now that you've been proven WRONG at every turn, let the ...[text shortened]... html;_ylt=A0SO8ws5NztTygQASShXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTBzNDdiaGRkBHNlYwNzYwRjb2xvA2dxMQR2dGlkA1FJMDQ5XzE-
The other terrible negative is that the massive exclusions, copays, and deductibles are going to be a shock to those who think they are covered, since their annual physical, or birthcontrol is covered. When they are really sick and have to have a serious surgery, and find out the first $10k is not covered, then the reality of Obama care will hit home.
Of course, the layoffs are reality, already happening, as well as the failure of the business sector to embark on expansion. Death panels will come in the future, as there will always be some sort of rationing of short resources. Obama care created no new resources, so whatever shortages existed before will still exist, and due to incentives or disincentives they will become worse.
You are already spinning and making excuses to give the impression of success, when by every measure the plan is a failure.
02 Apr 14
Originally posted by sasquatch672I don't care to critique Bill's writing. He's just flat out wrong on every assertion.
You don't get to be smug if you can't speak or write your native tongue. I'm not even asking for advanced concepts like not ending sentences with prepositions. I'm talking about a basic fifth-grade writing level. If I have to put up with his prissy, effeminate style, then it should at least be something a ten-year-old could compose.
03 Apr 14
Originally posted by sasquatch672All that stuff is STILL going on? So, just where are these "death panels" that are still going on? When did the economy crash? (The last one I saw was in 2008 when "W" ran things), and at what point did the ACA reduce all of America to part time work? I like to learn these things from a smart guy like you.
Yeah, all that stuff is still going on. Or will be soon. Obama has rewritten the law 38 times and delayed "mandates" to avoid political consequences. For Democrats. Or hadn't you heard?
You're just another dimwitted hack for this petty tyrant.
EDIT: And I might suggest to you some subject-verb agreement the next time you're feeling smug.
I will accept your criticism of my sentence structure, the rest of what you wrote is either incorrect, or an unjustified lashing out at the truth.
03 Apr 14
Originally posted by bill718Dear bill78, The monthly premium for me is over $400 which would do absolutely nothing until the $4850 yearly deductible is met. Then it would cover 60% of doctor visits and prescriptions. If you can actually think that is either affordable or even healthcare you have been drinking the Kool-Aid. Of course the website is a scam (totally screwed up). The ACA is a failure and no Democrat will publicly admit it. I was a Democrat until recently. But Obama convinced me to never vote Democrat again. 😠
[b]Now that the ACA has enrolled over 7 million by the deadline, So....what about it republicans?? Now that you've been proven WRONG at every turn, let the spin and excuses begin!!😏😏😏
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03 Apr 14
Originally posted by caissad4What would be the likely cost if you went without? Shouldn't that be in your thinking?
Dear bill78, The monthly premium for me is over $400 which would do absolutely nothing until the $4850 yearly deductible is met. Then it would cover 60% of doctor visits and prescriptions. If you can actually think that is either affordable or even healthcare you have been drinking the Kool-Aid. Of course the website is a scam (totally screwed up). The ACA ...[text shortened]... mit it. I was a Democrat until recently. But Obama convinced me to never vote Democrat again. 😠