Originally posted by der schwarze RitterJust answer the question. Do you seriously believe that over a third of the South Africa's population wants to emigrate?
Well, it should be painfully obvious to all by now that you can dish it out about fat, obnoxious, stupid, skunk-beer swillin', rasslin'-watching Americans, but as soon as someone holds a mirror up to your cowardly, dangerous, racist country, you begin to bellow and blubber like a baby.
I've never claimed that my country is perfect. We have many problems, but instead of always trying to lay the blame like you, I try to be part of the solution...
Originally posted by CrowleyAccording to the article, almost one quarter of the whites have immigrated. There must be something to it or The Economist wouldn't be running a story like this.
Just answer the question. Do you seriously believe that over a third of the South Africa's population wants to emigrate?
I've never claimed that my country is perfect. We have many problems, but instead of always trying to lay the blame like you, I try to be part of the solution...
Originally posted by der schwarze RitterIt's a good, balanced article -- unlike your selective cut 'n paste.
http://www.economist.com/world/mideast-africa/displaystory.cfm?story_id=12295535
The problems I regard as most serious as the barrier to immigration and the education system. There are more than enough immigrants, legal or otherwise (from Africa, China, even Europe), to make up for the skills that emigrants take with them. Unfortunately they are not being viewed as assets by a myopic government. As for the education system, good grief, our schools are about as rotten as the average UK inner city school, which is ample cause for lamentation.
On a side note, UCT is awash with American students at the moment -- perhaps taking advantage of higher education that despite being out of reach of most South Africans is cheap by US standards.
Originally posted by EladarYour informant probably doesn't know much about how black people live.
From the South African lady my wife knows from an internet board, if you are white and are not rich enough to have personal security, then your life is in constant danger. Unless you are rich enough to live in protected neighborhoods, it just isn't safe.
I know that if I didn't feel safe where I lived, I'd want to move.
A colleague of mine lives in a comfortable house in Langa, Cape Town. Earns a good salary, quiet neighbourhood. The community abides by a strict code of rules based on the maxim "don't defecate in your own back yard". It's not the norm, but more common than you might think.
Originally posted by EladarBurglar bars aren't unusual. European houses often have them on ground-floor windowsf. Built-in electric blinds that slide down outside the window are also common on newer houses.
Did the pm I posted accurately describe where you live? Are people getting murdered on their way to work or while they fish? Does your house or your neighbors' houses have bars over the window?
I think some waar Afrikaners felt a tremendous sense of loss at the collapse of the old society -- 'Gone With the Wind' syndrome if you like -- and those are the ones that will tell you things are completely screwed. And crime is bad, there is no doubt about that. But some of that was inevitable as a society had to suddenly "get 20th century" just as the 20th century was ending.
Originally posted by spruce112358Also, don't disregard the fact that almost no crime figures were used in official reports from the black, poor communities.
And crime is bad, there is no doubt about that. But some of that was inevitable as a society had to suddenly "get 20th century" just as the 20th century was ending.
There was not a sudden increase in crime when democracy came to SA, all reported crimes were now just being used for statistical purposes...
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Originally posted by Bosse de NageWhat do you think about those stats quoted from the article.
It's a good, balanced article -- unlike your selective cut 'n paste.
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What questions did they ask to get those?
Here's what I think:
- Do you think you could earn a living outside SA?
- Would you emigrate given a chance and a free airline ticket?
- Do you think crime is bad?
WOW! More than a third said 'yes'!
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Originally posted by CrowleyObviously. I mean, I've thought of emigrating too. Thinks: Should I emigrate? Let's see: 5 years' hard labour to break even in a foreign country where I'll be treated like a foreigner, with 2 kids ... No, I don't think so.
What do you think about those stats quoted from the article.
What questions did they ask to get those?
Here's what I think:
- Do you think you could earn a living outside SA?
- Would you emigrate given a chance and a free airline ticket?
- Do you think crime is bad?
WOW! More than a third said 'yes'!
Plus, a lot of those immigrants are probably going to be returning from Dubai (or Seoul, in the case of many teachers) with extra pocket money -- and skills -- after a bit. I'm actually contemplating the Dubai run -- great financial compensation balanced against an ex-pat lifestyle in a glorified shopping mall ... (I have a school friend whom I term a nice white liberal racist -- he's been planning on leaving the country since matric -- can't find a single positive thing to say about SA -- he's still living in Olivedale 🙂 ).
As for Saffas in the UK -- it's extraordinary what dickheads so many of them are, isn't it?
