Originally posted by CliffLandinMcCain believes the War on Terror has been mishandled thus far and he is against unnecessary government spending. I belief McCain thinks that spending has gone out of control during the Bush Administration.
Okay, fair enough, so you are conceding that Obama won the debate and conceding that his team has done a better job of getting their message across.
Now that we have established that, can you explain how McCain is different than Bush.
I thought McCain won the debate. Obama's foreign policy stance is very weak. In respect to which camp has gotten their message across, I believe Obama has done an effective job in convincing many voters that McCain is an extension of Bush, to my dismay. But we still got some time in between now and election day so we will see if the McCain camp can further convince voters that it isn't an extension of Bush.
Originally posted by MoneyManMikeYou claim that McCain thinks spending has been out of control under Bush, but, as Obama pointed out repeatedly, he voted with Bush more that 90% of the time. He had ample opportunities to stand up to Bush on any number of issues, but didn't. He claims to be a maverick, but hasn't shown himself to be a maverick. If he had, he would have much more support. Most people see his "maverick" stance as b.s.
McCain believes the War on Terror has been mishandled thus far and he is against unnecessary government spending. I belief McCain thinks that spending has gone out of control during the Bush Administration.
I thought McCain won the debate. Obama's foreign policy stance is very weak. In respect to which camp has gotten their message across, I belie ...[text shortened]... we will see if the McCain camp can further convince voters that it isn't an extension of Bush.
Actually, he claims that the war on terror had been managed poorly, but now everything is just ducky. He refused to even acknowledge that Afghanistan was now the front in the war on terror. Keep the blinders on and focus on Iraq. That ought to do it.
Originally posted by MoneyManMikeOutside of disagreeing with torturing people, I don't see any difference between his positions on the "War on Terror" and Bush's. Perhaps you could give some specific examples. Like Bush, he believes that Iraq is a "central front" in the "WOT".
McCain believes the War on Terror has been mishandled thus far and he is against unnecessary government spending. I belief McCain thinks that spending has gone out of control during the Bush Administration.
I thought McCain won the debate. Obama's foreign policy stance is very weak. In respect to which camp has gotten their message across, I belie ...[text shortened]... we will see if the McCain camp can further convince voters that it isn't an extension of Bush.
Everybody is against "unnecessary" government spending. What specific spending is "unnecessary" according to McCain? He apparently supports yet another huge increase in military spending according to his website.
Originally posted by no1marauderAnd a spending freeze on everything else. Talk about the military industrial complex!
Outside of disagreeing with torturing people, I don't see any difference between his positions on the "War on Terror" and Bush's. Perhaps you could give some specific examples. Like Bush, he believes that Iraq is a "central front" in the "WOT".
Everybody is against "unnecessary" government spending. What specific spending is "unnecessa ...[text shortened]... ly supports yet another huge increase in military spending according to his website.
Originally posted by CliffLandinSo did McCain vote with Bush 90% of the time in 2007 or during Bush's entire administration?
You claim that McCain thinks spending has been out of control under Bush, but, as Obama pointed out repeatedly, he voted with Bush more that 90% of the time. He had ample opportunities to stand up to Bush on any number of issues, but didn't. He claims to be a maverick, but hasn't shown himself to be a maverick. If he had, he would have much more support. ...[text shortened]... the front in the war on terror. Keep the blinders on and focus on Iraq. That ought to do it.
Originally posted by no1marauderIraq is a central front along with Afghanistan; if one fails, the other fails. One example of what government spending that McCain is against is Earmarks. He elaborated on this topic last night so I shouldn't have to explain it to you...
Outside of disagreeing with torturing people, I don't see any difference between his positions on the "War on Terror" and Bush's. Perhaps you could give some specific examples. Like Bush, he believes that Iraq is a "central front" in the "WOT".
Everybody is against "unnecessary" government spending. What specific spending is "unnecessa ...[text shortened]... ly supports yet another huge increase in military spending according to his website.
Originally posted by MoneyManMikeActually, he voted with Bush 95% of the time in 2007 according to the Congressional Quarterly. He's been as low as 77% in 2005. http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/is_it_true_john_mccain_voted_with.html
So did McCain vote with Bush 90% of the time in 2007 or during Bush's entire administration?
Yup, that sure sounds like "change".
Originally posted by MoneyManMikeThat's what Bush says. The American people reject it.
Iraq is a central front along with Afghanistan; if one fails, the other fails. One example of what government spending that McCain is against is Earmarks. He elaborated on this topic last night so I shouldn't have to explain it to you...
Earmarks totalled $16.5 billion in 2008. http://earmarks.omb.gov/2008_appropriations_home.html
The Federal government spent close to $3 trillion. Even if every earmark was eliminated (which won't happen), the amount is trifling in comparison to the massive spending increase McCain proposes for the military.
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Originally posted by MoneyManMikeYou did read the poll that says 59% of the American people want to set a withdrawal date from Iraq, didn't you? Or is that fact too difficult for right wingers to accept?
Great....now your speaking for the American people...
EDIT: Two other polls from the site I gave:
ABC News/Washington Post Poll. July 10-13, 2008. N=1,119 adults nationwide. MoE ± 3 (for all adults). Fieldwork by TNS.
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"Do you think the United States must win the war in Iraq in order for the broader war on terrorism to be a success, or do you think the war on terrorism can be a success without the United States winning the war in Iraq?" Half sample. Options rotated.
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Must Win
War in Iraq Does Not Require Iraq Victory Unsure
34% 60% 6%
CNN/Opinion Research Corporation Poll. June 26-29, 2008. N=1,026 adults nationwide. MoE ± 3.
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"If you had to choose, would you rather see the next president keep the same number of troops in Iraq that are currently stationed there, or would you rather see the next president remove most U.S. troops in Iraq within a few months of taking office?"
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Keep Same Remove Most Unsure
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33% 64% 3%
Originally posted by no1marauderYea but that poll doesn't state that the American people don't think that Iraq is a central front in the War on Terror, and that if Iraq fails then Afghanistan fails and vice versa.
You did read the poll that says 59% of the American people want to set a withdrawal date from Iraq, didn't you? Or is that fact too difficult for right wingers to accept?
The only thing that your poll states is that the majority of Americans that took the poll believe that a withdrawal date is the best policy for Iraq.
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Originally posted by MoneyManMikeSee the edit esp. the first poll. You and Bush and McCain are out of step with what the American people believe. Deal with it.
Yea but that poll doesn't state that the American people don't think that Iraq is a central front in the War on Terror, and that if Iraq fails then Afghanistan fails and vice versa.
The only thing that your poll states is that the majority of Americans that took the poll believe that a withdrawal date is the best policy for Iraq.