Mark Chapter 7
1 Then came together unto him the Pharisees, and certain of the scribes, which came from Jerusalem.
2 And when they saw some of his disciples eat bread with defiled, that is to say, with unwashen, hands, they found fault.
3 For the Pharisees, and all the Jews, except they wash their hands oft, eat not, holding the tradition of the elders.
4 And when they come from the market, except they wash, they eat not. And many other things there be, which they have received to hold, as the washing of cups, and pots, brasen vessels, and of tables.
5 Then the Pharisees and scribes asked him, Why walk not thy disciples according to the tradition of the elders, but eat bread with unwashen hands?
6 He answered and said unto them, Well hath Esaias prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written, This people honoureth me with their lips, but their heart is far from me.
7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
8 For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.
9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.
10 For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death:
11 But ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; he shall be free.
12 And ye suffer him no more to do ought for his father or his mother;
13 Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.
14 And when he had called all the people unto him, he said unto them, Hearken unto me every one of you, and understand:
15 There is nothing from without a man, that entering into him can defile him: but the things which come out of him, those are they that defile the man.
16 If any man have ears to hear, let him hear.
17 And when he was entered into the house from the people, his disciples asked him concerning the parable.
18 And he saith unto them, Are ye so without understanding also? Do ye not perceive, that whatsoever thing from without entereth into the man, it cannot defile him;
19 Because it entereth not into his heart, but into the belly, and goeth out into the draught, purging all meats?
20 And he said, That which cometh out of the man, that defileth the man.
21 For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders,
22 Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness:
23 All these evil things come from within, and defile the man.
Originally posted by Pawnokeyhole
18 ... Do ye not perceive, that whatsoever thing from without entereth into the man, it cannot defile him;
Does this apply to the sexual organ of another man? If so, is this not biblical confirmation of the righteousness of passive male homosexuality?
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Please, let's keep at least some of the debates on this <Debates> forum serious.
Originally posted by ivanhoeOkay, then. Do you think that an implication of what Jesus says is that the religious belief systems that a person endorses, necessarily coming from without, cannot make him or her bad?
Please, let's keep at least some of the debates on this <Debates> forum serious.
Aiden
Genesis 9:3
Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things.
This is what the bible says to all people except Jews. This is a part of what is called the Noahic covenant. Later god gave the Jews a different covenant.
Feivel
Originally posted by PawnokeyholeI do not think the above quotes had anything to do with other belief systems as you might perceive them. He is talking about the Jewish Laws/instructions.
Okay, then. Do you think that an implication of what Jesus says is that the religious belief systems that a person endorses, necessarily coming from without, cannot make him or her bad?
Aiden
However if we take a look at:
18 And he saith unto them, Are ye so without understanding also? Do ye not perceive, that whatsoever thing from without entereth into the man, it cannot defile him;
19 Because it entereth not into his heart, but into the belly, and goeth out into the draught, purging all meats?
20 And he said, That which cometh out of the man, that defileth the man.
In my view Jesus is (also) talking about the things that come from men and things that come from God.
Edit: 18 And he saith unto them, Are ye so without understanding also? Do ye not perceive, that whatsoever thing from without entereth into the man, it cannot defile him;
19 Because it entereth not into his heart, but into the belly, and goeth out into the draught, purging all meats?
20 And he said, That which cometh out of the man, that defileth the man.
"That which cometh out of the man, that defileth the man"; meaning, not his excrements, which were unclean by the law, but what comes out of his heart, by his mouth; or is expressed in action.
It appears to me, that sin in thought, word and deed, is the defiling thing, and is what ought to be carefully avoided; and not meats, and the manner of eating them, provided moderation is used.