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@no1marauder saidAnd you’re ok with Muslims being herded into death camps because of your own anti west bias.
Millions of people were denied their right to self-determination by outside force. You are OK with this because of your blind acceptance of Western propaganda.
I don't do "whataboutisms"; I've already said the Russian invasion of the Ukraine was an unjustified Crime against Peace. That crime does not excuse the Western powers crushing the legitimate aspirations of mil ...[text shortened]... s and maintaining territorial divisions that did not reflect the will of the local populace was not.
Millions of people had their right to self determination ensured by the NATO action, what you mean is millions of Serbs were denied their delusional right to ethnically cleanse as big an area as they would have liked to have whilst carving out their ‘Greater Serbia’, what you mean is your pal in the Kremlin was relying on a forever destabilised Europe in order to see his dream of a ‘Greater Russia’ come to fruition.
But fear not, next year when trump is back in the White House the European liberal democracies will have to stand on our own two feet against Russia and its authoritarian allies and your hatred of NATO will have to find a new home.
@kevcvs57 saidAbe Lincoln was worse than Milosevic. He killed a crap load of people simply because they wanted to secede from the union. He didn't even have the excuse the south were heroin traders like the Kosovo Muslims.
And you’re ok with Muslims being herded into death camps because of your own anti west bias.
Millions of people had their right to self determination ensured by the NATO action, what you mean is millions of Serbs were denied their delusional right to ethnically cleanse as big an area as they would have liked to have whilst carving out their ‘Greater Serbia’, what you mean i ...[text shortened]... et against Russia and its authoritarian allies and your hatred of NATO will have to find a new home.
@kevcvs57 saidThe USA government did the same thing in Iraq. Killed a bunch of Muslims, including civilians. The UK helped as well. You have condoned ethic cleansing in the past because of western empire propaganda.
An entire ethnic group? Go back and crunch the numbers again. Anything is better than some ethnic groups being herded into death camps and slaughtered and dumped in mass graves.
Serbia got a sliver of the group punishment that Putin has meted out to an innocent Ukraine so please dry your crocodile tears and move on.
You are condoning inexcusable hypocrisy.
@kevcvs57 saidStop being such an idiot.
And you’re ok with Muslims being herded into death camps because of your own anti west bias.
Millions of people had their right to self determination ensured by the NATO action, what you mean is millions of Serbs were denied their delusional right to ethnically cleanse as big an area as they would have liked to have whilst carving out their ‘Greater Serbia’, what you mean i ...[text shortened]... et against Russia and its authoritarian allies and your hatred of NATO will have to find a new home.
You're worse than MB with your ceaseless lying about my positions. And your hysterical, emotional claptrap doesn't change the fact that millions of Serbs were denied the basic right of self-determination just because the West decided its geopolitical goals made that useful.
No matter how much you parrot propaganda, all you are doing is endorsing the principle of collective punishment, which is an undoubted violation of international law.
@no1marauder saidSTOP PROJECTING YOUR LYING TENDENCIES ONTO ME!
Stop being such an idiot.
You're worse than MB with your ceaseless lying about my positions. And your hysterical, emotional claptrap doesn't change the fact that millions of Serbs were denied the basic right of self-determination just because the West decided its geopolitical goals made that useful.
No matter how much you parrot propaganda, all you are doing is endorsing the principle of collective punishment, which is an undoubted violation of international law.
I know you feel ashamed of your incessant lying, but trying to fool yourself into believing the opposite is the case is really pathetic! Is your mind really that feeble?
Almost three decades later, Western officials are still meddling in the area, insisting that they can override legislation passed in the Serbian areas of Bosnia and jail those who oppose their edicts.
https://www.voanews.com/a/contested-bosnian-serb-laws-go-into-force-despite-us-warning-/7173179.html
@no1marauder saidWhich western officials? The only western state mentioned was the U.S., who condemned the legislation. The article does mention that the president who signed it is a Kremlin ally.
Almost three decades later, Western officials are still meddling in the area, insisting that they can override legislation passed in the Serbian areas of Bosnia and jail those who oppose their edicts.
https://www.voanews.com/a/contested-bosnian-serb-laws-go-into-force-despite-us-warning-/7173179.html
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@vivify saidGermany is a "western state", isn't it?
Which western officials? The only western state mentioned was the U.S., who condemned the legislation. The article does mention that the president who signed it is a Kremlin ally.
"Kremlin ally President Milorad Dodik had on Friday signed legislation into law that effectively allow the Bosnian Serb entity to bypass or ignore decisions made by the top international envoy to Bosnia.
The latter, currently German diplomat Christian Schmidt, oversees the civilian aspects of the Dayton peace deal that ended the 1992-1995 war.
The international envoy has important executive powers notably to sack elected officials and impose laws."
And Paris and Berlin aren't in the US, are they?:
"The Bosnian Serb entity's initiatives had provoked strong reactions particularly from Bosnian Muslim leaders, and have also been criticized by Washington, Paris and Berlin."
Yes, the article gives as an excuse for a foreign official overriding local self-rule the claim the elected Bosnian Serb President is a "Kremlin" and "Moscow" ally:
"Schmidt made the ruling last weekend when he also passed a new measure that would allow Bosnia's judiciary to prosecute politicians who oppose his orders and those of the constitutional court — with punishments running up to five years in jail."
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@no1marauder saidNo... which western officials were "meddling" via this law? Your post made it seem like the West backed it somehow.
Germany is a "western state", isn't it?
"Kremlin ally President Milorad Dodik had on Friday signed legislation into law that effectively allow the Bosnian Serb entity to bypass or ignore decisions made by the top international envoy to Bosnia.
The latter, currently German diplomat Christian Schmidt, oversees the civilian aspects of the Dayton peace deal that ended t ...[text shortened]... s orders and those of the constitutional court — with punishments running up to five years in jail."
Western nations are mentioned, but not "meddling" as you claimed, or were behind this legislation as you implied.
@vivify said" German diplomat Christian Schmidt."
No... which western officials were "meddling" via this law? Your post made it seem like the West backed it somehow.
Western nations are mentioned, but not "meddling" as you claimed, or were behind this legislation as you implied.
No, the West opposes the legislation and Schmidt, its lapdog, promulgated a ruling that would make actions under it a criminal offense.
How exactly is that not "meddling"?
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@no1marauder saidOkay, so it's not "the West", it's one western official.
No, the West opposes the legislation and Schmidt, its lapdog, promulgated a ruling that would make actions under it a criminal offense.
How exactly is that not "meddling"?
Your article says Schmidt was involved in a deal that ended the 1992-1995 war. Where does your article mention he was involved in creating or backing this law?
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@vivify saidJesus H Christ.
Okay, so it's not "the West", it's one western official.
Your article says Schmidt was involved in a deal that ended the 1992-1995 war. Where does your article mention he was involved in creating or backing this law?
Read the freaking article.
EDIT: Here I'll make it easy for you:
"Contested Bosnian Serb Laws Go Into Force Despite US Warning
July 09, 2023
SARAJEVO, BOSNIA AND HERZEGOVINA —
Two controversial laws signed by the Bosnian Serb president, which Washington says undermine the peace deal that ended Bosnia's 1990s war, entered into force on Sunday.
Kremlin ally President Milorad Dodik had on Friday signed legislation into law that effectively allow the Bosnian Serb entity to bypass or ignore decisions made by the top international envoy to Bosnia.
The latter, currently German diplomat Christian Schmidt, oversees the civilian aspects of the Dayton peace deal that ended the 1992-1995 war.
The international envoy has important executive powers notably to sack elected officials and impose laws.
A second piece of legislation signed into law by Dodik on Friday suspends the Bosnian Serb entity's recognition of rulings made by Bosnia's constitutional court.
On Sunday, both bills, that were approved by Bosnian Serb lawmakers last month, officially entered into force with their publication in the official gazette of Republika Srpska (RS).
The RS along with the Muslim-Croat Federation makes up post-war Bosnia.
The two semi-autonomous entities are linked by a weak central government.
The Bosnian Serb entity's initiatives had provoked strong reactions particularly from Bosnian Muslim leaders, and have also been criticized by Washington, Paris and Berlin.
US Secretary of State Antony Blinken on Saturday tweeted that Dodik's signing of a law rejecting the international envoy authority "violates the Bosnia and Herzegovina constitution and undermines the Dayton Accords."
Dodik signed the bills just days after Schmidt tried to head off the controversial moves by passing an executive order that deems them illegal and prevents their implementation.
Schmidt made the ruling last weekend when he also passed a new measure that would allow Bosnia's judiciary to prosecute politicians who oppose his orders and those of the constitutional court — with punishments running up to five years in jail.
Dodik has refused to recognize Schmidt's authority since the position lost the backing of the United Nations thanks to an intervention by Russia and Beijing.
Dodik — who remains a Moscow ally — has held enormous sway over the Bosnian Serb entity for years, repeatedly stoking ethnic tensions with his secessionist threats.
Earlier this week, Dodik vowed to continue to oppose the envoy."
@metal-brain saidShut the fukk up retard.
STOP PROJECTING YOUR LYING TENDENCIES ONTO ME!
I know you feel ashamed of your incessant lying, but trying to fool yourself into believing the opposite is the case is really pathetic! Is your mind really that feeble?
Don’t mingle with the adults when they’re talking.
@kevcvs57 saidDude, nobody is okay with muslims being herded into death camps. Don’t be so over dramatic.
And you’re ok with Muslims being herded into death camps because of your own anti west bias.
Millions of people had their right to self determination ensured by the NATO action, what you mean is millions of Serbs were denied their delusional right to ethnically cleanse as big an area as they would have liked to have whilst carving out their ‘Greater Serbia’, what you mean i ...[text shortened]... et against Russia and its authoritarian allies and your hatred of NATO will have to find a new home.
Lots of people feel the NATO intervention wasn’t a good thing, it certainly didn’t have UN backing and I, for one, think NATO should have been disbanded a long time ago.
Don’t think death camps are good though, do I?
And whatever has No1 ever said that would give you the impression he wants hordes of people sent to death camps?
Nothing.
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@no1marauder saidOkay. So it's mainly one German official. But your article makes it clear Schmidt opposed the law; you made it seem like he supported it, which he doesn't.
Jesus H Christ.
Read the freaking article.
EDIT: Here I'll make it easy for you:
"Contested Bosnian Serb Laws Go Into Force Despite US Warning
July 09, 2023
SARAJEVO, BOSNIA AND HERZEGOVINA —
Two controversial laws signed by the Bosnian Serb president, which Washington says undermine the peace deal that ended Bosnia's 1990s war, entered into force on Sunda ...[text shortened]... s with his secessionist threats.
Earlier this week, Dodik vowed to continue to oppose the envoy."
I do agree that Schmidt trying to hold power over Bosnia is meddling. Still, it's one country, not "the West".