Originally posted by RedmikeWell it does quote some pretty significant international common law (from a Soviet mind - this guy hated Israel) which proves that the Israeli position is not an illegal occupation as the left and anti-Israeli scum like to claim.
From netanyahu.org. Come on, you can do better than that.
Originally posted by princeoforangeSo you know they didn't 'overthrow the Hittite empire'.
There were 7 different tribes in the land at the time, but they were all protectorates of the Hittite Empire.
The ones that lived in Jerusalem were called Jebusites.
Anyway, you'll have to concede your statement that the land of Israel 'always' belonged to the Jews is ridiculous. It belonged to them by right of conquest , if that is any sort of right, for four to five hundred years, then they were chucked out.
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Originally posted by princeoforangeUh, it's called The Rapture. I'm not a believer of this stuff myself but you want to know why the US is involved in this, you better find out what The Rapture is.
No, your first post explains why you think that the Bible says Israel must exist when Christ returns or else everyone will go to Hell.
The Bible does not say this, and it certainly is not the driving force behind American policy in the Mid East, however hard you try to think that it is.
Here's a clue.
The Rapture - What is it? When will it happen? Where is it in the Bible?
Learn the truth about this biblical event that often leads to arguments, especially when folks say it's not even in the Bible.
Just about everyone has heard someone mention ' The Rapture ', when they talk about the return of Jesus Christ. There probably isn't a word that causes as much conflict as the word rapture, does. I here folks constantly saying: ' There is NO word rapture in the Bible! '.
I have read the NIV version of the Bible from beginning to end, and it is true the word 'rapture' was not found. I have also read parts of and studied the King James Bible since I was a child, and I have never seen the word, ' rapture ', in it. So is the rapture made up? NO. The Rapture is clearly mentioned in the bible, let me explain.
"Rapture" is derived from the Latin verb: 'rapere', of 1 Thess. 4:17—"we will be caught up," ['to carry off' - or 'catch up']).
A Dictionary meaning for Rapture says: ' The transporting of a person from one place to another, especially to heaven '.
So when we mention the Rapture, we are not saying the actual word is in the bible, but what it means is, the removing or taking away of the Christian believers just before the seven year tribulation begins.
Here are just a few of the many references of the Rapture in the Bible (NIV Version):
Christ will bring raptured Church (his believers) to place he prepared: John 14:1-3 - "Do not let your hearts be troubled. Trust in God; trust also in me. In my Father's house are many rooms; if it were not so, I would have told you. I am going there to prepare a place for you. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and take you to be with me that you also may be where I am."
The followers of Jesus will be removed to safety while those still on the Earth will face the tribulation period: Revelation 3:10 - " Since you have kept my command to endure patiently, I will also keep you from the hour of trial that is going to come upon the whole world to test those who live on the earth."
In the verse above we are told that the 'followers' of Jesus, those that have kept his commands (followed his commandments) and accepted him as lord and savior, will be kept from the time of trouble (tribulation), so here we have the proof of a pre-tribulation rapture. In 1 Thessalonians 4: 16-17 we are told how this incredible event will take place:
1 Thessalonians 4: 16-17 - "For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever."
There are even more references to the church being delivered from the tribulation. Also, remember what happened back in the days of Noah. In a sense there was a rapture that occurred then also. Noah and his family, the only true believers and followers of God, were removed from the earth (raptured) by the safety of God to the Ark, while the rest of the earth’s people suffered and died.
http://www.buzzle.com/editorials/1-15-2006-86392.asp
I can't spoonfeed this stuff for you any better than that. For all their talk of the separation of church and state, the US is one of the most religious nations on the planet. Don't think those in power in the Us don't take the bible seriously and perhaps more importantly, the people who support financially their party, take this stuff seriously. Bush is a born again christian fyi.
Originally posted by princeoforangeWho are you saying has a Soviet mind and hates israel?
Well it does quote some pretty significant international common law (from a Soviet mind - this guy hated Israel) which proves that the Israeli position is not an illegal occupation as the left and anti-Israeli scum like to claim.
Of course, if this guy's opinion was correct, we wouldn't have the UN passing a succession of resolutions calling for israel to withdraw.
Originally posted by RedmikeI agree that Israel should withraw, but just because the UN says, does not make it right. The UN isn't perfect.
Who are you saying has a Soviet mind and hates israel?
Of course, if this guy's opinion was correct, we wouldn't have the UN passing a succession of resolutions calling for israel to withdraw.
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Originally posted by uzlessIf you really think the US is involved because of scripture, thanks for the laugh.
Uh, it's called The Rapture. I'm not a believer of this stuff myself but you want to know why the US is involved in this, you better find out what The Rapture is.
Here's a clue.
The Rapture - What is it? When will it happen? Where is it in the Bible?
Learn the truth about this biblical event that often leads to arguments, especially when folks say this stuff seriously. Bush is a born again christian fyi.
The U.S. couldn't care less about Israel until France cut them off from weapons sales during the 67 war. Until that point, we were far more concerned about our relationship with the oil rich Arab states.
Unless you have some good reason why America 'found God' at the exact same time, I don't see anything resembling facts in your case.
Originally posted by princeoforangeWhy do you say the Protestants are Irish? Just because they live in Ireland? Yet you have the gall to make the outrageous claim that Arabs who have lived in Palestine for centuries aren't Palestinian -- that there are "no Palestinians".
No, because the Protestants in Ulster do happen to be Irish, as Irish in fact as the Catholics in Ireland (I mean Irish in that they are from Ireland, although Northern Ireland is obviously still part of Britain) where are the parallels?
The parallels are broad and obvious, but you don't want to see them because they demolish your arguments -- and incidently your world view.
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Originally posted by MerkI don't know why, but I have heard that period referred to as the "Fourth Great Awakening" and the "Jesus Movement". Awakening of Christians. Southern Baptists, Pentecostals especially.
If you really think the US is involved because of scripture, thanks for the laugh.
The U.S. couldn't care less about Israel until France cut them off from weapons sales during the 67 war. Until that point, we were far more concerned about our relationship with the oil rich Arab states.
Unless you have some good reason why America 'found God' at the exact same time, I don't see anything resembling facts in your case.
Supposedly this is the time period in which "Christian Rock" or it's predecessors were born.
Maybe the reason was Israel's incredible success in the Six Day War. This might lead to a growth of prophetic Christianity among the superstitious masses. It makes sense.
Originally posted by spruce112358While I think you have an excellent point, there is one flaw. "Ireland" refers to a geographic region; a particular land mass entirely surrounded by water. Even the North Irish claim the Irish name.
Why do you say the Protestants are Irish? Just because they live in Ireland? Yet you have the gall to make the outrageous claim that Arabs who have lived in Palestine for centuries aren't Palestinian -- that there are "no Palestinians".
The parallels are broad and obvious, but you don't want to see them because they demolish your arguments -- and incidently your world view.
In Palestine/Israel, this sort of recognition and clear geographic borders don't exist.