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@uzless saidGenerally I like your idea, but I would go with "Rainbow People" instead of "Pride People" (sorry, hippies).
Just refer to the group as "Pride" people. It's just easier. They have Pride parades every year so it makes sense. Way better than the alphabet soup.
Problem is each of the letter people won't have their own letter anymore so we'll see the narcissism revolt to this idea.
Of course, "Pride" was probably meant in opposition to shame -- but I'm not sure defining oneself in such a reactive way is a good idea.
EDIT: This reminds me that Rafe Judkins had something to say about this (reactive definition of self) in his recent Vanity Fair interview about Wheel of Time Season 3 (advisory: there might be plot spoilers in that interview).
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@Suzianne said>>I must take exception to the hate speech you are disseminating here.
I must take exception to the hate speech you are disseminating here.
WHAT are you referring to when you say "non-H"? What is "H"? Human?
Are you familiar at all with the first Pride march in New York City on June 28, 1970, exactly one year after the Stonewall Uprising? Ever hear of Ellen Broidy, in connection with it? Of course not.
"At the E.R.C.H.O Conference ...[text shortened]... e only ones that matter. That is clearly offensive to those other groups, intentional or otherwise.
-- Compulsions often challenge whatever sense of agency we might have. I have also addressed this false characterization separately.
>>WHAT are you referring to when you say "non-H"? What is "H"? Human?
-- Your conveniently digressive faux idiocy has been noted, and not for the first time.
>>Are you familiar at all with the first Pride march in New York City on June 28, 1970, exactly one year after the Stonewall Uprising? Ever hear of Ellen Broidy, in connection with it? Of course not.
-- No, I was not, but neither should you have answered for me beforehand. That was rather disrespectful of you.
However, you still haven't clarified why "L" is at the front of the letter-train. Is it because Lesbians have special authoritarian chromosomes that made them better-suited for a task that nobody ever asked them to do?
>>"At the E.R.C.H.O Conference in November 1969, the 13 homophile organizations in attendance voted to pass a resolution to organize a National annual demonstration, to be called Christopher Street Liberation Day." Ever hear of it?
-- Yeah, I've heard of Christopher Street. Please keep in mind that I'm about 15 years older than you. Plus I subscribed to the New York Native during the first years of AIDS, and also used to receive catalogs from the Lambda Rising Book Store.
>>"By all estimates, there were upwards of 3-5,000 marchers at the inaugural Pride in New York City, and today NYC marchers number in the millions. Since 1970, LGBTQ+ people have continued to gather together in June to march with Pride and demonstrate for equal rights."
-- Good for them (except for the S&M crowd and the NAMBLA guys).
>>NOT JUST GAYS. There was representation from all LGBTQ+ organizations. There were all stripes of the Pride Rainbow at Stonewall that day.
-- I hope you don't mean to imply that heterosexuals were excluded from those parades.
>>You would do well to avoid eschewing the support of other Pride groups in your tantrum that Gays are the only ones that matter. That is clearly offensive to those other groups, intentional or otherwise.
-- No, it's not.
I'm not necessarily a ne'er-do-well, but I do have my moments.
Tantrum? I believe it is you who might need a nap.
If you are not Professor X, how could you possibly know what is offensive to whom? Perhaps you are unaware of the Vulcan guidance that there is no offense where none is taken.
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@moonbus saidGroup identity is fine, but not if the organizers tell others, "You're automatically one of us and must agree with everything we believe," without the consent of said others.
Group identity is very 'in' these days.
Personally, I identify as cis-human, waiting for a Vogon ship to fly by and take me off this spinning glorified asteroid, becoming daily less and less mostly harmless.
Of course this organizational attempt is understandable and could be seen as analogous to minority Euro parties forming alliances -- but aren't alliances supposed to be voluntary instead of by decree?
As for the other matter: Continuing to be cis-human seems reasonable, because if too many things get flipped then molecules won't fit into their usual receptors and bad things could happen.
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@Suzianne
May I ask if that was you who got me suspended recently because your filters were set to interpret my challenging and humorous posts on this topic as hate speech?
If so, please grow some humor if you have some room to fit that in among all your balls.
BTW, I have no problem with you being bi (which you have stated publicly) -- and I do understand what you meant about getting negative feedback from both sides (gay and straight). I would agree with you that that should be a non-issue, and in some regions and circles and clades I think we're already there.
HOWEVER, just as I seem to observe that some trans people are reinforcing binary standards, so are the alphabet people continuing to reinforce a division that is long past its expiration date -- and as mentioned previously, I see a strong dash of authoritarianism (no matter how well-intended) that ironically denies individuality and dissent.
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@The-only-Mr-T saidI thought Zahlanzi was Romanian and still lived there.
Because the French, Danes and Spanish were around before your stupid American asses.
@Arkturos saidPlease keep the anti-social chip on your shoulder to yourself.
@Suzianne
May I ask if that was you who got me suspended recently because your filters were set to interpret my challenging and humorous posts on this topic as hate speech?
If so, please grow some humor if you have some room to fit that in among all your balls.
BTW, I have no problem with you being bi (which you have stated publicly) -- and I do understand what you ...[text shortened]... of authoritarianism (no matter how well-intended) that ironically denies individuality and dissent.
@Arkturos saidDon't you ever get that when you talk about "others", that you are not talking about "self" any more?
Generally I like your idea, but I would go with "Rainbow People" instead of "Pride People" (sorry, hippies).
Of course, "Pride" was probably meant in opposition to shame -- but I'm not sure defining oneself in such a reactive way is a good idea.
EDIT: This reminds me that Rafe Judkins had something to say about this (reactive definition of self) in his recent Vanity F ...[text shortened]... r interview about Wheel of Time Season 3 (advisory: there might be plot spoilers in that interview).
@Arkturos saidToo bad.
I take your exception to your characterizing my posts as hate speech.
However, I do try to grant you some slack as in general you seem to be delusional to a greater extent than average, not to mention rabid, arrogant, controlling, combative, and conflict-seeking.
Since you yourself don't seem to mind issuing personal attacks and mischaracterizations, here's one for you: if they still had fern bars, the ferns would burst into flame if you walked in.
Hate should always be confronted.
Hint/Wakeup Thought for the Day: That isn't what you're doing here. You are the one propating the hate.
@Arkturos saidNeither one of us is as young and naive as you are imagining here.
@Suzianne
May I ask if that was you who got me suspended recently because your filters were set to interpret my challenging and humorous posts on this topic as hate speech?
If so, please grow some humor if you have some room to fit that in among all your balls.
BTW, I have no problem with you being bi (which you have stated publicly) -- and I do understand what you ...[text shortened]... of authoritarianism (no matter how well-intended) that ironically denies individuality and dissent.