As many American Cities such as Detroit, Chicago and others struggle with high crime rates and violence, New York City stands as an example of how this big city has become a good model for others to follow. The big question is: Will they?
https://www.salon.com/2011/11/19/what_really_cleaned_up_new_york/
https://nypost.com/2016/11/14/why-crime-in-chicago-soars-while-new-york-is-safer-than-ever/
https://www.city-journal.org/html/how-new-york-became-safe-full-story-13197.html
Originally posted by @mchillGiuliani
As many American Cities such as Detroit, Chicago and others struggle with high crime rates and violence, New York City stands as an example of how this big city has become a good model for others to follow. The big question is: Will they?
https://www.salon.com/2011/11/19/what_really_cleaned_up_new_york/
https://nypost.com/2016/11/14/why-crime-in-chicag ...[text shortened]... r-than-ever/
https://www.city-journal.org/html/how-new-york-became-safe-full-story-13197.html
Originally posted by @mott-the-hoopleFrom the Salon link:
Giuliani
In his fascinating new book, "The City that Became Safe," Franklin Zimring, a professor of law and chairman of the Criminal Justice Research Program at the University of California at Berkeley, looks at the real reasons behind that change -- and his conclusions might surprise you. Contrary to popular belief, Giuliani's "zero tolerance" bluster had little to do with it. Instead, it was a combination of strategic policing and harm reduction by the New York Police Department. Police targeted open-air drug markets, and went after guns, while leaving drug users largely alone. The implications of the strategy could make us revise not only the way we think about crime, but the way we think about our prison system and even human nature.
Originally posted by @handyandyBroken windows...not zero tolerance
From the Salon link:In his fascinating new book, "The City that Became Safe," Franklin Zimring, a professor of law and chairman of the Criminal Justice Research Program at the University of California at Berkeley, looks at the real reasons behind that change -- and his conclusions might surprise you. Contrary to popular belief, Giuliani's "zero ...[text shortened]... e think about crime, but the way we think about our prison system and even human nature.
http://www.nber.org/digest/jan03/w9061.html
Giuliani was the mayor, he hired the police chief, they work together. twist it any way you want.
Originally posted by @mott-the-hoopleCredit goes primarily to N.Y. Police Commissioner Bill Bratton, who Mayor Giuliani dumped in 1996.
Broken windows...not zero tolerance
http://www.nber.org/digest/jan03/w9061.html
Giuliani was the mayor, he hired the police chief, they work together. twist it any way you want.
Apparently Giuliani believed Bratton was getting more credit than the mayor for the dramatic drop in crime.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/12/us/politics/12bratton.html
Originally posted by @mott-the-hoopleClearly, you've not bothered to read the links I posted
Broken windows...not zero tolerance
http://www.nber.org/digest/jan03/w9061.html
Giuliani was the mayor, he hired the police chief, they work together. twist it any way you want.
Originally posted by @handyandyApparently you cant see that crime continued downward after the police chief left, you know, the one you gave the credit to.
Credit goes primarily to N.Y. Police Commissioner Bill Bratton, who Mayor Giuliani dumped in 1996.
Apparently Giuliani believed Bratton was getting more credit than the mayor for the dramatic drop in crime.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/12/us/politics/12bratton.html
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Originally posted by @mott-the-hoopleAnd after the mayor left, you know, the one you gave credit to.
Apparently you cant see that crime continued downward after the police chief left, you know, the one you gave credit to.
Originally posted by @handyandySo you admit programs initiated under republican leadership are working today still.You just cant credit the right people.
And after the mayor left, you know, the one you gave credit to.
Originally posted by @mott-the-hoople"The Right People"
So you admit programs initiated under republican leadership are working today still.You just cant credit the right people.
Sounds like a horror movie.
Originally posted by @handyandyFor you yes...you are stuck on >the wrong people<.
"The Right People"
Sounds like a horror movie.
Originally posted by @mott-the-hoopleThe expert you cited in another thread says the best way to reduce crime was to make sure more people have handguns. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/More_Guns,_Less_Crime
Broken windows...not zero tolerance
http://www.nber.org/digest/jan03/w9061.html
Giuliani was the mayor, he hired the police chief, they work together. twist it any way you want.
I don't recall that being a part of the Guiliani supported program.
Originally posted by @no1marauderneither here nor there, pointless.
The expert you cited in another thread says the best way to reduce crime was to make sure more people have handguns. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/More_Guns,_Less_Crime
I don't recall that being a part of the Guiliani supported program.
Originally posted by @mchillI'm sure there are many reasons for NY's success in reducing crime, but Giuliani's tactics (the controversial ones, the noncontroversial ones, or both) were clearly a factor.
As many American Cities such as Detroit, Chicago and others struggle with high crime rates and violence, New York City stands as an example of how this big city has become a good model for others to follow. The big question is: Will they?
https://www.salon.com/2011/11/19/what_really_cleaned_up_new_york/
https://nypost.com/2016/11/14/why-crime-in-chicag ...[text shortened]... r-than-ever/
https://www.city-journal.org/html/how-new-york-became-safe-full-story-13197.html
Liberals bending over backwards to give Giuliani zero credit for the precipitous drop that happened under his watch remind me of sports fans who have it in for a player or coach and will give 12 reasons why every success of the player or team was really attributable to someone else or luck.